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    Default MTT Bubble Bust

    I was in a MTT (904 entrys) and only 20 seats away from $$, and working towards my chip goals. I was playing very tight (except for the 1st time I hit AA..lol..not good I know). Everyone was very aggressive and I wasn't hitting anything...tried to blind steal (playing position) and got slaughtered...not sure what i am doing wrong, posted my last SnG and everyone advised playing tighter early on...so I did, but then could never take off because of all the big bets vs. my stack...HELPPPP...plz

    Heres my HH (minus a whole bunch of folding pre-flop)


    *********** # 14 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807650327: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/05/31 - 22:18:32 (ET)
    Table '8387317 111' Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: EDGE1978 (1130 in chips)
    Seat 2: COCAT (1415 in chips)
    Seat 3: WillieDM3 (1330 in chips)
    Seat 4: NS Hogger (2680 in chips)
    Seat 5: zorro51 (1400 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (1435 in chips)
    Seat 7: efrendly (2100 in chips)
    Seat 8: thatfnmb (1580 in chips)
    Seat 9: lugnut08 (1570 in chips)
    efrendly: posts small blind 15
    thatfnmb: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Ac Ah]
    lugnut08: calls 30
    EDGE1978: calls 30
    COCAT: calls 30
    WillieDM3: calls 30
    NS Hogger: folds
    zorro51: folds
    Aero500com: raises 1405 to 1435 and is all-in
    efrendly: folds
    thatfnmb: folds
    lugnut08: folds
    EDGE1978: folds
    COCAT: folds
    WillieDM3: folds
    Aero500com collected 195 from pot
    Aero500com: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 195 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: EDGE1978 folded before Flop
    Seat 2: COCAT folded before Flop
    Seat 3: WillieDM3 folded before Flop
    Seat 4: NS Hogger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: zorro51 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (button) collected (195)
    Seat 7: efrendly (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: thatfnmb (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: lugnut08 folded before Flop

    Thought maybe somebody would call with middle pair….

    *********** # 21 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807720677: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/05/31 - 22:26:46 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (3095 in chips)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (2047 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (1425 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (3500 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (3870 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (1600 in chips)
    Seat 7: skiwendover (1990 in chips)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal (1125 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (1668 in chips) is sitting out
    T'S Man: posts small blind 15
    goobers nana: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [9d 9h]
    Lou1220: folds
    God Fada 22: calls 30
    Aero500com: calls 30
    skiwendover: folds
    jokerbengal: folds
    derty simone: folds
    jilalxp: folds
    T'S Man: calls 15
    goobers nana: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4h 6d 9c]
    T'S Man: checks
    God Fada 22: checks
    Aero500com: bets 60
    T'S Man: folds
    God Fada 22: folds
    Aero500com collected 120 from pot
    Aero500com: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 120 | Rake 0
    Board [4h 6d 9c]
    Seat 1: jilalxp (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: goobers nana (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Lou1220 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Aero500com collected (120)
    Seat 7: skiwendover folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: derty simone folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    How could I have gotten more out of this hand?

    *********** # 23 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807731575: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/05/31 - 22:28:03 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (3095 in chips)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (1987 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (1380 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (3470 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (3915 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (1690 in chips)
    Seat 7: skiwendover (1990 in chips)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal (1125 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (1668 in chips) is sitting out
    Lou1220: posts small blind 15
    God Fada 22: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [3s 3h]
    Aero500com: folds
    skiwendover: calls 30
    jokerbengal: calls 30
    derty simone: folds
    jilalxp: calls 30
    T'S Man: folds
    goobers nana: folds
    Lou1220: calls 15
    God Fada 22: checks
    *** FLOP *** [7c 9s 4s]
    Lou1220: checks
    God Fada 22: bets 30
    skiwendover: folds
    jokerbengal: calls 30
    jilalxp: folds
    Lou1220: folds
    *** TURN *** [7c 9s 4s] [Ts]
    God Fada 22: checks
    jokerbengal: checks
    *** RIVER *** [7c 9s 4s Ts] [Ac]
    God Fada 22: checks
    jokerbengal: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    God Fada 22: shows [6d Jd] (high card Ace)
    jokerbengal: shows [9c Jc] (a pair of Nines)
    jokerbengal collected 210 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 210 | Rake 0
    Board [7c 9s 4s Ts Ac]
    Seat 1: jilalxp folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: T'S Man folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (big blind) showed [6d Jd] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 6: Aero500com folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: skiwendover folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: jokerbengal showed [9c Jc] and won (210) with a pair of Nines
    Seat 9: derty simone folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Did I do right by laying these down?

    *********** # 30 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807774804: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/05/31 - 22:33:06 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (3243 in chips)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (3317 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (1380 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (3390 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (2787 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (1645 in chips)
    Seat 7: skiwendover (1765 in chips)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal (1170 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (1623 in chips) is sitting out
    T'S Man: posts small blind 25
    goobers nana: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Qd Qs]
    Lou1220: folds
    God Fada 22: calls 50
    Aero500com: raises 200 to 250
    skiwendover: folds
    jokerbengal: folds
    derty simone: folds
    jilalxp: calls 250
    T'S Man: calls 225
    goobers nana: folds
    God Fada 22: calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [8s 8h 4h]
    T'S Man: checks
    God Fada 22: checks
    Aero500com: checks
    jilalxp: checks
    *** TURN *** [8s 8h 4h] [9h]
    T'S Man: bets 300
    God Fada 22: calls 300
    Aero500com: calls 300
    jilalxp: folds
    *** RIVER *** [8s 8h 4h 9h] [Qc]
    T'S Man: bets 300
    God Fada 22: calls 300
    Aero500com: raises 500 to 800
    T'S Man: folds
    God Fada 22: calls 500
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Aero500com: shows [Qd Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Eights)
    God Fada 22: mucks hand
    Aero500com collected 3850 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3850 | Rake 0
    Board [8s 8h 4h 9h Qc]
    Seat 1: jilalxp (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: T'S Man (small blind) folded on the River
    Seat 3: goobers nana (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Lou1220 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 mucked [6s 9s]
    Seat 6: Aero500com showed [Qd Qs] and won (3850) with a full house, Queens full of Eights
    Seat 7: skiwendover folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: derty simone folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    This worked out well, but should I have played it differently?

    *********** # 33 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807805018: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/05/31 - 22:36:41 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (2293 in chips)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (1030 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (1305 in chips)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (3315 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (3674 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (4145 in chips)
    Seat 7: skiwendover (1765 in chips)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal (1170 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (1623 in chips)
    God Fada 22: posts small blind 25
    Aero500com: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Qs Tc]
    jilalxp said, "thought so =/"
    skiwendover: calls 50
    jokerbengal: calls 50
    derty simone: folds
    jilalxp said, "fishhhhh"
    jilalxp: folds
    T'S Man: folds
    goobers nana: folds
    Lou1220: folds
    God Fada 22: calls 25
    Aero500com: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Jc Kh Qd]
    God Fada 22: folds
    Aero500com: checks
    skiwendover: folds
    jokerbengal: bets 100
    Aero500com: calls 100
    *** TURN *** [Jc Kh Qd] [Qc]
    Aero500com: checks
    jokerbengal: bets 250
    Aero500com: calls 250
    *** RIVER *** [Jc Kh Qd Qc] [5h]
    Aero500com: checks
    jokerbengal: bets 150
    Aero500com: calls 150
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    jokerbengal: shows [Jd Kd] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
    Aero500com: shows [Qs Tc] (three of a kind, Queens)
    Aero500com collected 1200 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc Kh Qd Qc 5h]
    Seat 1: jilalxp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: T'S Man folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: goobers nana folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Aero500com (big blind) showed [Qs Tc] and won (1200) with three of a kind, Queens
    Seat 7: skiwendover folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: jokerbengal showed [Jd Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
    Seat 9: derty simone folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    This worked out well, but should I have played it differently?

    *********** # 36 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807826552: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/05/31 - 22:39:13 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (2143 in chips)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (1030 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (1255 in chips)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (3315 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (3749 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (4770 in chips)
    Seat 7: skiwendover (1915 in chips)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal (520 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (1623 in chips) is sitting out
    jokerbengal: posts small blind 25
    derty simone: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Qd Kh]
    jilalxp: raises 2093 to 2143 and is all-in
    T'S Man: folds
    goobers nana: folds
    Lou1220: folds
    God Fada 22: folds
    Aero500com: folds
    skiwendover: folds
    jokerbengal: calls 495 and is all-in
    derty simone: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3d As Th]
    *** TURN *** [3d As Th] [Tc]
    *** RIVER *** [3d As Th Tc] [2d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    jokerbengal: shows [6s 6d] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
    jilalxp: shows [Ac Kc] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
    jilalxp collected 1090 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1090 | Rake 0
    Board [3d As Th Tc 2d]
    Seat 1: jilalxp showed [Ac Kc] and won (1090) with two pair, Aces and Tens
    Seat 2: T'S Man folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: goobers nana folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Aero500com folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: skiwendover (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: jokerbengal (small blind) showed [6s 6d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sixes
    Seat 9: derty simone (big blind) folded before Flop

    Trying to keep it tight…should I have played this?? If so, how?

    *********** # 41 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807861963: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/05/31 - 22:43:22 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (2663 in chips)
    Seat 2: T'S Man (2485 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (1180 in chips)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (3065 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (4584 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (4770 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (2005 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (1573 in chips) is sitting out
    God Fada 22: posts small blind 25
    Aero500com: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [7h Ah]
    JGandalf: calls 50
    derty simone: folds
    jilalxp: folds
    T'S Man: calls 50
    goobers nana: calls 50
    Lou1220: folds
    God Fada 22: calls 25
    Aero500com: checks
    *** FLOP *** [9h 8d Kh]
    God Fada 22: bets 50
    Aero500com: calls 50
    JGandalf: raises 50 to 100
    T'S Man: calls 100
    goobers nana: folds
    God Fada 22: folds
    Aero500com: calls 50
    *** TURN *** [9h 8d Kh] [As]
    Aero500com: checks
    busterhiman is connected
    JGandalf: bets 100
    T'S Man: raises 2235 to 2335 and is all-in
    Aero500com: calls 2335
    JGandalf: folds
    *** RIVER *** [9h 8d Kh As] [Ac]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Aero500com: shows [7h Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
    T'S Man: shows [Ks 7s] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
    Aero500com collected 5370 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5370 | Rake 0
    Board [9h 8d Kh As Ac]
    Seat 1: jilalxp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: T'S Man showed [Ks 7s] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 3: goobers nana folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Aero500com (big blind) showed [7h Ah] and won (5370) with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 8: JGandalf folded on the Turn
    Seat 9: derty simone folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    This worked out well, but should I have played it differently?


    *********** # 52 **************
    PokerStars Game #1807947794: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/05/31 - 22:53:22 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (6524 in chips)
    Seat 2: thatfnmb (3620 in chips)
    Seat 3: goobers nana (930 in chips)
    Seat 4: Lou1220 (2715 in chips)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 (3459 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (7605 in chips)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (3885 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (946 in chips)
    Seat 9: derty simone (3446 in chips)
    shootfirst: posts small blind 50
    JGandalf: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Ah 6c]
    derty simone: folds
    jilalxp: raises 200 to 300
    thatfnmb: folds
    goobers nana: raises 200 to 500
    Lou1220: folds
    God Fada 22: folds
    Aero500com: folds
    shootfirst: folds
    JGandalf: folds
    jilalxp: calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Qd Jc]
    jilalxp: checks
    goobers nana: checks
    *** TURN *** [Jh Qd Jc] [6h]
    jilalxp: bets 200
    goobers nana: folds
    jilalxp collected 1150 from pot
    jilalxp: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1150 | Rake 0
    Board [Jh Qd Jc 6h]
    Seat 1: jilalxp collected (1150)
    Seat 2: thatfnmb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: goobers nana folded on the Turn
    Seat 4: Lou1220 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: God Fada 22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: JGandalf (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: derty simone folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Should this hand have been played differently..layed down pre-flop?


    *********** # 69 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808136192: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/05/31 - 23:15:53 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (4023 in chips)
    Seat 2: thatfnmb (3820 in chips)
    Seat 3: juliec (7803 in chips)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (6530 in chips)
    Seat 5: dmkay (7248 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (7330 in chips)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (2510 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (8956 in chips)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (4415 in chips)
    riteaidbob: posts small blind 75
    jilalxp: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [8h Th]
    riteaidbob said, "best I had in an hour"
    thatfnmb: folds
    juliec: calls 150
    PowerhouseJP: folds
    dmkay: folds
    Aero500com: raises 450 to 600
    shootfirst: folds
    JGandalf: folds
    riteaidbob: folds
    jilalxp: raises 3423 to 4023 and is all-in
    juliec: folds
    Aero500com: folds
    jilalxp collected 1425 from pot
    jilalxp: shows [Tc Ah] (high card Ace)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1425 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: jilalxp (big blind) collected (1425)
    Seat 2: thatfnmb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: juliec folded before Flop
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: dmkay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Aero500com folded before Flop
    Seat 7: shootfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (small blind) folded before Flop

    Good lay down???

    *********** # 81 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808221394: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/05/31 - 23:26:22 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: jilalxp (906 in chips)
    Seat 3: juliec (6976 in chips)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (3835 in chips)
    Seat 5: dmkay (7023 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (6505 in chips)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (5845 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (9242 in chips)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (3815 in chips)
    PowerhouseJP: posts small blind 100
    dmkay: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Ks Kc]
    Aero500com: raises 400 to 600
    shootfirst: folds
    JGandalf: folds
    riteaidbob: folds
    jilalxp: raises 306 to 906 and is all-in
    juliec: folds
    PowerhouseJP: folds
    dmkay: folds
    Aero500com: calls 306
    *** FLOP *** [7d 5h 5s]
    *** TURN *** [7d 5h 5s] [8c]
    *** RIVER *** [7d 5h 5s 8c] [9d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Aero500com: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
    jilalxp: shows [Jd Ah] (a pair of Fives)
    Aero500com collected 2112 from pot
    Squat united is connected
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2112 | Rake 0
    Board [7d 5h 5s 8c 9d]
    Seat 1: jilalxp showed [Jd Ah] and lost with a pair of Fives
    Seat 3: juliec (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: dmkay (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Aero500com showed [Ks Kc] and won (2112) with two pair, Kings and Fives
    Seat 7: shootfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JGandalf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Could I have maximized this further?

    *********** # 82 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808228156: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/05/31 - 23:27:11 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Squat united (3320 in chips)
    Seat 2: hasumutas (1660 in chips)
    Seat 3: juliec (6976 in chips)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (3735 in chips)
    Seat 5: dmkay (6823 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (7711 in chips)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (5845 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (9242 in chips)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (3815 in chips)
    dmkay: posts small blind 100
    Aero500com: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Th 8c]
    shootfirst: folds
    JGandalf: calls 200
    riteaidbob: folds
    Squat united: folds
    hasumutas: calls 200
    juliec: calls 200
    PowerhouseJP: folds
    dmkay: calls 100
    Aero500com: checks
    *** FLOP *** [3h 9s Jd]
    dmkay: checks
    Aero500com: checks
    JGandalf: bets 500
    hasumutas: calls 500
    juliec: calls 500
    dmkay: folds
    Aero500com: calls 500
    *** TURN *** [3h 9s Jd] [Ac]
    Aero500com: checks
    JGandalf: checks
    hasumutas: checks
    juliec: checks
    *** RIVER *** [3h 9s Jd Ac] [Kc]
    Aero500com: checks
    JGandalf: bets 1000
    hasumutas: folds
    juliec: folds
    Aero500com: folds
    JGandalf collected 3000 from pot
    JGandalf: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3000 | Rake 0
    Board [3h 9s Jd Ac Kc]
    Seat 1: Squat united folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: hasumutas folded on the River
    Seat 3: juliec folded on the River
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: dmkay (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Aero500com (big blind) folded on the River
    Seat 7: shootfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JGandalf collected (3000)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    9: riteaidbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Is it ok to chase the open ended straight here, or is that to loose?

    *********** # 94 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808318711: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/05/31 - 23:38:17 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Squat united (3020 in chips)
    Seat 2: MSR5004 (3444 in chips)
    Seat 3: juliec (4076 in chips)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (2135 in chips)
    Seat 5: dmkay (4423 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (6811 in chips)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (6445 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (18902 in chips)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (3315 in chips)
    riteaidbob: posts small blind 100
    Squat united: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [8c 8d]
    MSR5004: folds
    juliec: folds
    PowerhouseJP: calls 200
    dmkay: folds
    Aero500com: calls 200
    shootfirst: folds
    JGandalf: folds
    riteaidbob: folds
    Squat united: checks
    *** FLOP *** [6h 7s Qs]
    Squat united: checks
    PowerhouseJP: checks
    Aero500com: bets 600
    Squat united: folds
    PowerhouseJP: folds
    Aero500com collected 700 from pot
    Aero500com: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 700 | Rake 0
    Board [6h 7s Qs]
    Seat 1: Squat united (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: MSR5004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: juliec folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: dmkay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Aero500com collected (700)
    Seat 7: shootfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (small blind) folded before Flop

    This worked out well, but should I have played it differently?


    *********** # 99 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808345444: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/05/31 - 23:41:38 (ET)
    Table '8387317 89' Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Squat united (3695 in chips)
    Seat 2: MSR5004 (3919 in chips)
    Seat 3: juliec (3726 in chips)
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (1285 in chips)
    Seat 5: dmkay (3973 in chips)
    Seat 6: Aero500com (7261 in chips)
    Seat 7: shootfirst (6395 in chips)
    Seat 8: JGandalf (19152 in chips)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob (3165 in chips)
    Squat united: posts the ante 25
    MSR5004: posts the ante 25
    juliec: posts the ante 25
    PowerhouseJP: posts the ante 25
    dmkay: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts the ante 25
    shootfirst: posts the ante 25
    JGandalf: posts the ante 25
    riteaidbob: posts the ante 25
    dmkay: posts small blind 100
    Aero500com: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Td As]
    shootfirst: folds
    JGandalf: folds
    riteaidbob: calls 200
    Squat united: folds
    MSR5004: folds
    juliec: calls 200
    PowerhouseJP: folds
    dmkay: calls 100
    Aero500com: checks
    *** FLOP *** [3h 6d Ah]
    dmkay: checks
    Aero500com: checks
    riteaidbob: checks
    juliec: bets 200
    dmkay: folds
    Aero500com: calls 200
    riteaidbob: folds
    *** TURN *** [3h 6d Ah] [8h]
    Aero500com: checks
    juliec: bets 200
    Aero500com: calls 200
    *** RIVER *** [3h 6d Ah 8h] [Jd]
    Aero500com: checks
    juliec: bets 800
    Aero500com: calls 800
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    juliec: shows [Ad 2h] (a pair of Aces)
    Aero500com: shows [Td As] (a pair of Aces - Ten kicker)
    Aero500com collected 3425 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3425 | Rake 0
    Board [3h 6d Ah 8h Jd]
    Seat 1: Squat united folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: MSR5004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: juliec showed [Ad 2h] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 4: PowerhouseJP (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: dmkay (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Aero500com (big blind) showed [Td As] and won (3425) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 7: shootfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JGandalf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: riteaidbob folded on the Flop

    This worked out well, but should I have played it differently?


    *********** # 116 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808462411: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/31 - 23:56:28 (ET)
    Table '8387317 61' Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: scott4020 (2850 in chips)
    Seat 3: mike2424 (38945 in chips)
    Seat 4: Ranovak (4450 in chips)
    Seat 5: CAC55 (8705 in chips)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (8793 in chips)
    Seat 7: hard &fast (11771 in chips)
    Seat 8: Aero500com (8061 in chips)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (12020 in chips)
    scott4020: posts the ante 25
    mike2424: posts the ante 25
    Ranovak: posts the ante 25
    CAC55: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts the ante 25
    hard &fast: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts the ante 25
    kmeal1918: posts the ante 25
    scott4020: posts small blind 200
    mike2424: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Kd As]
    Ranovak: folds
    CAC55: folds
    Disillusiond: folds
    hard &fast: folds
    Aero500com: raises 800 to 1200
    kmeal1918: folds
    scott4020: folds
    mike2424: calls 800
    *** FLOP *** [2h Th Qs]
    mike2424: checks
    Aero500com: bets 1600
    mike2424: calls 1600
    *** TURN *** [2h Th Qs] [2d]
    mike2424: bets 1200
    Aero500com: calls 1200
    *** RIVER *** [2h Th Qs 2d] [9s]
    mike2424: checks
    Aero500com: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    mike2424: shows [Jh 8s] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
    Aero500com: mucks hand
    mike2424 collected 8400 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8400 | Rake 0
    Board [2h Th Qs 2d 9s]
    Seat 1: scott4020 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: mike2424 (big blind) showed [Jh 8s] and won (8400) with a straight, Eight to Queen
    Seat 4: Ranovak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: CAC55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: hard &fast folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Aero500com mucked [Kd As]
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Where did I go wrong here?

    *********** # 120 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808489376: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/31 - 23:59:59 (ET)
    Table '8387317 61' Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: scott4020 (2550 in chips)
    Seat 2: pavon69 (4756 in chips)
    Seat 3: mike2424 (42245 in chips)
    Seat 4: Ranovak (11325 in chips)
    Seat 5: CAC55 (6605 in chips)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (6543 in chips)
    Seat 7: hard &fast (11271 in chips)
    Seat 8: Aero500com (3961 in chips)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (11120 in chips)
    scott4020: posts the ante 25
    pavon69: posts the ante 25
    mike2424: posts the ante 25
    Ranovak: posts the ante 25
    CAC55: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts the ante 25
    hard &fast: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts the ante 25
    kmeal1918: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts small blind 200
    hard &fast: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Ah Js]
    Aero500com: raises 1200 to 1600
    kmeal1918: folds
    scott4020: folds
    pavon69: folds
    mike2424: folds
    Ranovak: folds
    CAC55: folds
    Disillusiond: folds
    hard &fast: calls 1200
    *** FLOP *** [5s Kd 4d]
    hard &fast: checks
    Aero500com: bets 2336 and is all-in
    hard &fast: folds
    Aero500com collected 3625 from pot
    Aero500com: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3625 | Rake 0
    Board [5s Kd 4d]
    Seat 1: scott4020 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: pavon69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: mike2424 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Ranovak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: CAC55 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: hard &fast (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: Aero500com collected (3625)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Is this TOO ballsy?

    *********** # 126 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808529113: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/06/01 - 00:05:09 (ET)
    Table '8387317 61' Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: scott4020 (14350 in chips)
    Seat 2: pavon69 (13893 in chips)
    Seat 3: mike2424 (41295 in chips)
    Seat 5: CAC55 (4455 in chips)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (4993 in chips)
    Seat 7: hard &fast (8646 in chips)
    Seat 8: Aero500com (5236 in chips)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (7508 in chips)
    scott4020: posts the ante 25
    pavon69: posts the ante 25
    mike2424: posts the ante 25
    CAC55: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts the ante 25
    hard &fast: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts the ante 25
    kmeal1918: posts the ante 25
    mike2424: posts small blind 200
    CAC55: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [Ad 5h]
    Disillusiond: folds
    hard &fast: folds
    Aero500com: raises 800 to 1200
    kmeal1918: folds
    scott4020: folds
    pavon69: folds
    mike2424: folds
    CAC55: folds
    Aero500com collected 1200 from pot
    Aero500com: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: scott4020 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: pavon69 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: mike2424 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: CAC55 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Disillusiond folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: hard &fast folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Aero500com collected (1200)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Same question? Too Ballsy?

    *********** # 128 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808538692: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/06/01 - 00:06:25 (ET)
    Table '8387317 61' Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: scott4020 (5704 in chips)
    Seat 2: pavon69 (13843 in chips)
    Seat 3: mike2424 (59037 in chips)
    Seat 5: CAC55 (3805 in chips)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (4543 in chips)
    Seat 8: Aero500com (5986 in chips)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (7458 in chips)
    scott4020: posts the ante 25
    pavon69: posts the ante 25
    mike2424: posts the ante 25
    CAC55: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts the ante 25
    kmeal1918: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts small blind 200
    Aero500com: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [3h Jc]
    kmeal1918: folds
    scott4020: folds
    pavon69: folds
    mike2424: calls 400
    CAC55: folds
    Disillusiond: folds
    Aero500com: checks
    *** FLOP *** [3d 8s 8h]
    flinstone41 is connected
    Aero500com: bets 800
    mike2424: calls 800
    *** TURN *** [3d 8s 8h] [8d]
    Aero500com: bets 800
    mike2424: calls 800
    *** RIVER *** [3d 8s 8h 8d] [As]
    Aero500com: bets 800
    DREED44 is connected
    mike2424: raises 2400 to 3200
    Aero500com: calls 2400
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    mike2424: shows [Jh 8c] (four of a kind, Eights)
    Aero500com: mucks hand
    mike2424 collected 10775 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10775 | Rake 0
    Board [3d 8s 8h 8d As]
    Seat 1: scott4020 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: pavon69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: mike2424 showed [Jh 8c] and won (10775) with four of a kind, Eights
    Seat 5: CAC55 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: Aero500com (big blind) mucked [3h Jc]
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Had the boat, but a little one…should I have pushed hard early, or folded early? Or was there another way alltogether to play this???

    *********** # 129 **************
    PokerStars Game #1808544920: Tournament #8387317, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/06/01 - 00:07:13 (ET)
    Table '8387317 61' Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: scott4020 (5679 in chips)
    Seat 2: pavon69 (13818 in chips)
    Seat 3: mike2424 (64587 in chips)
    Seat 4: DREED44 (20583 in chips)
    Seat 5: CAC55 (3780 in chips)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (4318 in chips)
    Seat 7: flinstone41 (8515 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
    Seat 8: Aero500com (761 in chips)
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (7433 in chips)
    scott4020: posts the ante 25
    pavon69: posts the ante 25
    mike2424: posts the ante 25
    DREED44: posts the ante 25
    CAC55: posts the ante 25
    Disillusiond: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts the ante 25
    kmeal1918: posts the ante 25
    Aero500com: posts small blind 200
    kmeal1918: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aero500com [7s 4h]
    scott4020: folds
    pavon69: folds
    mike2424: folds
    DREED44: folds
    CAC55: folds
    Disillusiond: raises 1200 to 1600
    Aero500com: calls 536 and is all-in
    kmeal1918: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Ks Ac Jd]
    *** TURN *** [Ks Ac Jd] [2c]
    *** RIVER *** [Ks Ac Jd 2c] [As]
    Aero500com said, "lol..and when your not"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Aero500com: shows [7s 4h] (a pair of Aces)
    Disillusiond: shows [Ah 9d] (three of a kind, Aces)
    Disillusiond collected 2072 from pot
    Disillusiond said, "gg"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2072 | Rake 0
    Board [Ks Ac Jd 2c As]
    Seat 1: scott4020 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: pavon69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: mike2424 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: DREED44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: CAC55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Disillusiond (button) showed [Ah 9d] and won (2072) with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 8: Aero500com (small blind) showed [7s 4h] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 9: kmeal1918 (big blind) folded before Flop

    Should I have folded (blinds where huge vrs. My stack)?
  2. #2
    Yeah, that AA hand was a little nutty. That being said, with that many limpers you do want to fire out a decent raise. I'd put in at least 150, and possibly up to 175 or 200. You only want one caller, 2 at most. They still might all fold, but you don't want to raise too little and have all of them call.

    Hand 21: Meh... with a rainbow flop you might be able to get away with checking the flop and hope somebody hits a high pair. Your bet wasn't outrageous.

    Hand 23: With blinds that low, and your stack that high... I'd be trying to limp with 33. Depends on your read of the table... but from the first few hands it seems as though people like limping. I'd limp for the set even from UTG and go for the monster pot. Once the blinds get higher I fold these... or raise to steal.

    Hand 30: Ew. Personally I don't like the flop check. You got two callers preflop, so you've made some money. QQ is pretty vulnerable. Your callers could have AK or something, so any K or A that comes up gets scary quick. I'd bet the flop and take it down there. The next thing I'd do is add God Fada to your buddy list. The hand did end up working well for you.... but I wouldn't recommend slowplaying QQ.

    Hand 33: Any reason you didn't raise the turn? That's a better way to find out where you're at. Similar to the QQ hand, you should try to take the hand down when you have the best of it, or at least get your money in there. Unless the guy has AT you're likely winning this... so get some cash in.

    Hand 36: No way you play that hand. G00t fold. Odd all-in by that guy, but I guess he was targetting the BB.

    Hand 41: Dicey call, but maybe you had some read there or something. I would have assumed the guy had a better ace and was trying to push people off flush draws. You didn't have odds to call that on the flush draw.... did you have a read on the guy?

    Hand 52: If you didn't fold this preflop you should be shot. A6o. That's a brutal hand, especially with a raise before you. Definately fold.

    Hand 69: G00t fold. No sense putting that much on the line for a T8s. Nice attempt at a steal (even with limp before you), but you have to lay this down.

    Hand 81: You got what you wanted from this... I wouldn't play it any differently.

    Hand 82: You easily had odds for that flop call. I would have been tempted to fire out a 2-300 bet instead. You take control of the hand, and if you get 2 callers you have pot equity to make that a good move. It also might make it cheaper for you. Other than that, fine.

    Hand 94: Fine

    Hand 99: Raise preflop. You have poor position, so get some money in while you likely have the best hand. On the flop you should DEFINATELY be raising. You likely have the best hand, and you need to push this guy of a potential flush draw. You're lucky he didn't have hearts. You should have been the one betting/raising on this hand, not him. This is not a hand to smoothcall in my opinion.

    Hand 116: I'd either raise or fold the turn. At best you have a gutshot draw... you're lucky you didn't hit your A or K. If you fold, you save 1200. If you raise, you give him the option of folding. If he calls or raises you, your done with that hand.

    Hand 120: Ballsy, but I like it. You'd only have 2000 left if you don't win this hand... so you might as well get your chips in now and give him the chance to fold. I think this was a perfect move. Well played hand.

    Hand 126: Dicey, but it's good to steal out of position occasionally. I'd rather do it with suited connectors or something, because people will call you or push all in with AK, AQ, AJ... fish love aces. Still, I like this move.

    Hand 128: Tough break. You've GOTTA fold that river though. The guy smoothcalled you the whole way through. Either he has an 8, a pocket pair, or an A. I might have bet this a little harder earlier... the guy might make his move sooner. Another option is to raise big preflop. Against a stack this large though, probably not. You need to fold that river though. The only hand you beat is a bluff. Since you've been betting the whole time, he knows you have something... so I doubt he's bluffing.

    Hand 129: Meh. You have 3:1 pot odds on what you're hoping is a coin flip. I think you call with pretty much anything. At least you're probably not dominated right? 74o? Sure, why not.

    Good questions. I hope the answers help.

    Darkwing
  3. #3
    #14 - you did alright. Trying to get value is something I will do from late position. From the middle, a 400 chip raise may get interest from AKs and certainly QQ and KK will call. You want to isolate to 1 or 2 plrs but that's tough to do without good position.

    #21 - I would raise to 90 PF. On the flop, two plrs checked to you.. board looks uncoordinated so why not slow play. Maybe someone will connect the A or K and you can take a nice pot.

    #23 - don't lay those down!!! Those are GOLD! limp in and try to make a set like #21. If you don't connect with the set, just fold. You have a 1 in 8 chance of connecting.

    #30 - unlike AA, with these you want fewer hands in (ironic isn't it). Your
    200 raise got you 3 callers which could mean trouble. But you got a ragged board. I would fire away on the flop with a 500 raise or go AI. Don't let the guy holding a K or A see the turn!

    #33 - middle pair and OESD on the flop. fire away. A 300 bet seems OK
    on the flop

    #36 - good

    #41 - good

    #52 - good

    #69 - good

    #81 - good

    #82 - good. think of the pot you would take if you made the straight. you have about 1 in 3 odds of making it, so your 500 chip investment could net you at least 3000 (a 6 for 1 pay off). Ofcourse you would raise at least another 1000 for more.

    #94 - excellent

    #99 - raise.. get into the habit of raising on the flop. You will also build a good image to allow you to steal blinds later.

    #116 - why call the turn bet? If he called your flop bet, he's got something. In this case its a semi-bluff but on the turn you either fold or raise. If you got the goods you should raise him hard. If not, you can either try your own semi-bluff (which would have worked in this case) or fold.

    #120 - Good stealing the blinds move. Got lucky he didn't connect.

    #126 - good

    #128 - you got to slow it down if you get called. Ask yourself, what could
    he have to call me with? Pkt pair? Did he connect with the board? Your call on the river is very poor.

    #129 - you are SB. You can wait another orbit and pick a better hand to go AI with.
  4. #4
    tytytytytytytyty.....This is great feedback! My biggest concern is if I would have made these changes was my play strong enough to win? It seemed that everyone was over aggro and I could not meet my chip goals so I ended up small stack against a table that consistantly went AI or led w/ 5xBB+ bets...(that why i slow played a few..figured they would just keep betting no matter what like every other hand)I logged on here real quick and read an MTT thread that said if the table is really aggro tighten up...so I did...and ended up with the image of being very weak..so everyone called, and called again or re-raised...I guess what I am trying to learn is if you are playing tight early in a MTT and come time to step it up (50/100 or 75/150) and everyone else gets aggro (and you are small-mid stack because of tight play) what do you do? If I stay tight, well we see what happens, if I get more aggro (granted I wasn't getting crap for cards, but normally that doesn't matter much for me) than I am getting called/beat...so, what to do...thanks guys!!!!
  5. #5
    I took some of your advise and re-read Ripptyde's stickts and placed 4th in a 45 person SnG...better..but not 1st...to many hands to sort through so i won't attach, but any other comments/suggestions would be greatly appriciated!

    thx
  6. #6
    If you feel you've earned a tight weak image and you are short stack on the final table you need to lay low and wait for a hand to AI on. Its too bad you got into this position but the only way out (that I can see) is to make a big score and reestablish both your confidence and your image.
    Hopefully you will get something like AQ or better and get a couple of callers to double or triple you. Otherwise, you are facing elimination no matter how you look at it.

    To avoid getting this image you need to be tight and aggressive. This means only play groups 0-2 and 3 from late position; but play them hard with good pre and post flop raises. Also look for opportunities to limp in with small pairs and even the odd suited connector from late position (if the pot looks healthy). Look for opportunities to bluff when you feel your opponents didn't connect and you have position -- but watch for the habitual slow players.

    Alot to think about but that's what makes the game so much fun.

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