Who's wrong, me or Ultimate Bet?

[Boboar]

I've been playing poker on-line for about six months now, so I know that there are some things I'm still learning. One thing I thought I knew for sure, however, was that in No-Limit Texas Hold'Em, you can always re-raise. Ultimate Bet seems to believe otherwise.

I was playing at a $50 max buyin table and picked up KK under the gun. I raised the pot at that time which made it $1.75 to call (hoping for the re-raise). I got 2 callers and the flop came out Jh-Ks-Tc. Thinking a draw was more likely than a made straight, I bet the pot for $7. Player 1 raised all-in with his last $8 and Player 2 flat called. Now I knew that Player 2 was drawing because if he made the straight he would have re-raised my original bet plus the all-in bet. Player 1 could have the straight too, but I will call his $1 raise any day, even if I could see his cards. My intent was to re-raise all-in to drive out Player 2 who was obviously playing a draw hand or something trapping like top pair or two pair. The problem was that Ultimate Bet would only allow me to call the $1 raise from Player 1, I could not re-raise.

Is this a normal rule, or a site error? Should I not be able to re-raise at any time if others are still in the hand?

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks,

Boboar

[scgolfer]

Its a normal rule, though kinda unfair IMO. You cant reraise unless the raisers raise is at least half of your raise. So the guy went all in for just over what you raised so you are just able to call his raise and not reraise. Wow thats a lot of raising!

[Boboar]

Thanks for the reply. Is that a standard rule in all sites/games? In my short time playing poker, I've use several sites and probably played about 20,000+ hands and I've had this happen to me twice on UB but never anywhere else. I've also played on UB less than any other site I frequent.

[steelwheel]

not sure if its a rule at all online sites, though I would say it is probably, because that is a standard rule in non internet tourneys.

steel wheels

[DaNutsInYoEye]

If a player goes all in with a raise rather than a call, a rule comes into play. There are two options in common use here: Pot limit and No limit games always use what is called the full bet rule, while Fixed limit or Spread limit games use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all in raise does not equal the full amount of the previous raise, it does not consitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all in raise is equal to or larger than half the bet being raised, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action. In my experience this rule is pretty much standard in online and B&M play.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

If a player goes all in with a raise rather than a call, a rule comes into play. There are two options in common use here: Pot limit and No limit games always use what is called the full bet rule, while Fixed limit or Spread limit games use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all in raise does not equal the full amount of the previous raise, it does not consitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all in raise is equal to or larger than half the bet being raised, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action. In my experience this rule is pretty much standard in online and B&M play.

[scottyses]

I have played at Party, Empire, Stars, Paradise, and UB. They all have the same rule that a persons all in must raise atleast half the original bet or it doesnt count as a raise.

On an interesting side note, some B&M casinos let a player go all in at limit tables if their raise is 1.5X or less of what a regular raise would be. So at a $3-$6 table, someone could bet $6 and you could go all in for $9 more.