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    Default 4nl QJs in CO hit flush and paired turn.

    Villain is the same from my JJ hand. 26/21/5 Fcb= 43%, FtoTcb= 14% calling pfr on BU = 15% . In POS', he's prob flatting any pair here , i've seen him flat A's once before, so i threw in a couple combos of TT-AA
    (i'll get more into what i perceive his range to be in a sec).

    BB is 60/20/0 over 30
    When BU calls the flop and the turn comes Kd . I'm crushing him pretty well.

    Board: 9d4dKhKd
    Equity Win Tie
    CO 82.01% 82.01% 0.00% { QdJd }
    BU 17.99% 17.99% 0.00% { 88, 44, AhAs, AhAc, KhKs, KhKc, QhQs, QhQc, JhJs, JhJc, ThTs, ThTc, 9h9s, 9h9c, A9s, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s, Ad8d, 9d8d, Ad7d, 8d7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, Ad9h, Ad9s, Ad9c }


    I'm a little unsure of my sizing here... what do you guys think?



    Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: $5.83
    SB: $4.15
    BB: $4.00
    UTG: $2.68
    Hero (CO): $7.81

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q J

    UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.12

    Flop: ($0.54, 3 players) 9 4 K
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.27, BTN calls $0.27, fold

    Turn: ($1.08, 2 players) K
    [color=red]Hero bets $0.54
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    Flop sizing needs to be a little bigger & then you can make your turn sizing bigger because of it.

    You bet half pot on flop, you can't then really start betting 75-85% of pot on turn as it looks like you have hit exactly what you got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    You bet half pot on flop, you can't then really start betting 75-85% of pot on turn as it looks like you have hit exactly what you got.
    What?!?
    With TPTK turned trips, I would do that... If I had AA w/ , I would, too... I'd probably do that with QQ or JJ w/ .

    I DON'T do that with a boat or better.. 1/2 pot again and hope like hell that it looks bluffy.

    Do you never bet this board texture with anything but a flush?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    What?!?
    With TPTK turned trips, I would do that... If I had AA w/ , I would, too... I'd probably do that with QQ or JJ w/ .

    I DON'T do that with a boat or better.. 1/2 pot again and hope like hell that it looks bluffy.

    Do you never bet this board texture with anything but a flush?
    What matters most is what this particular opponent is likely to think you have on this particular hand. Unless you think they all have a strong tendency to think the same way every time, you might want to consider that not modifying your line and/or sizing according to how each plays may be sub-optimal.
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    LDO, playing in flow and exploiting villains' habits is supremely important. In this hand, every pocket with a good reason to continue the flop got much stronger on the turn.

    It is certainly a mistake to let the A draw out for a good price. Hero gets value from all Kx hands.

    Betting for value and to protect your hand are vital, too. The more vulnerable your hand is to being out-drawn, the more inclined you should be to bet.
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    Your bet sizes should generally be larger on boards with a lot of draws since you would bet larger with value hands to set an unfavorable price to draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    What?!?
    With TPTK turned trips, I would do that... If I had AA w/ , I would, too... I'd probably do that with QQ or JJ w/ .

    I DON'T do that with a boat or better.. 1/2 pot again and hope like hell that it looks bluffy.

    Do you never bet this board texture with anything but a flush?
    Obviously I would bet this board with other hands than a flush.

    I was just saying that if I was playing against hero, and he used this line, I wouldn't put him on a flush. If he bet the turn much bigger, then I would.
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    Sizing is far too small on both streets given board texture and decent equity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    Sizing is far too small on both streets given board texture and decent equity.
    yeah, i was really surprised i 1/2p'd both streets here. I suppose i could have thrown him off at the same time also.

    i have 1,500 hands w/ him and he seems to get a bit bullyish in POS. Like i flopped a straight vs. him co vs. btn and he raised my turn bet w/ his nut flush draw
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    Dunno why everybody wants to bet the flop bigger. Expressed odds and whatnot.
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    bet-sizing.
    good arguments for pretty much any sizing on the flop.
    is he folding a king or a weaker flush if you bet bigger on the turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    is he folding a king or a weaker flush if you bet bigger on the turn?
    He's not folding either of those hands to any betsize imo, including overbets and a shove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    bet-sizing.
    good arguments for pretty much any sizing on the flop.
    is he folding a king or a weaker flush if you bet bigger on the turn?
    OTT? prob not.

    He either folds OTF/OTR

    he will def fold to overbets/shove w/ these hands vs. certain opp's.

    he's won +$800 @ 10nl & +$300 @4nl since July '12.

    he's not bad... I've also seen him do some pretty stupid also.

    since i have so many hands against him I think I'm gonna do a little diggin and find the easiest ways to make money off him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    since i have so many hands against him I think I'm gonna do a little diggin and find the easiest ways to make money off him.
    do a very short dig. He isn't where most of your $$ will be coming from. Most of your $$ will come from value-betting vs fish.

    Look at his W$WSD, his flop play, and his 3b/response to 3b tendencies.
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