98s pre - betting to the river

[binky bee]

Villain pretty much an unknown.

Poker Stars says: VP:73 PR:9 AFq:40 though this was from a very small sample.

I bet a little out of my usual range on this one.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($2.65)
BB ($5.40)
UTG ($0.91)
MP1 ($1.14)
MP2 ($2.14)
binky bee (CO) ($2)
Button ($2)

Preflop: binky bee is CO with 8, 9
3 folds, binky bee bets $0.08, Button calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.26) 10, J, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, binky bee bets $0.16, 1 fold, SB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.58) K (2 players)
SB checks, binky bee bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30

River: ($1.18) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, binky bee bets $1, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.18 | Rake: $0.04

SB folded on the river
binky bee collected the pot

Was I playing too loose? It felt right at the time. I had a potential straight on the flop with 8 outs for that alone. Villain had checked all the way, so I was ruling out any pairs that might have beaten me.

Good result. Good play?

[TheLongGrind]

depends what you were thinking. The 8 outs story isn't really intresting. You should try explaining villain's tendencies and the kind of handrange he has in correlation to your bets and so on.

good result? yes good play? it depends

In this hand you were basically trying to bluff a massive calling station fish by 3 barreling , usually not the best idea

[OngBonga]

There's really no need to be triple barrelling at these stakes, and it's going to cost you in the long run against people who can't fold stuff like J9 in this spot, of which there are a lot at 2nl in my experience.

I think this is horrible play to be honest, betting flop is fine but the turn rams his flop c/c range, his range is like Jx Tx KQ K9 Q9 89 Axhh... looks like you got lucky here and hit his 89 and Axhh. The turn also kills our high card for the straight since we now lose to an ace when we bink the queen, so we're practically 4 outering on the turn. Just give up on turn imo.

[binky bee]

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

At the time I felt nice and confident. When I reviewed the hand I started to feel a lot colder about it.

I'll tuck the advice about three-barrelling away. I could have checked this one all the way.

A good reminder that I have a LOT still to learn about getting people's ranges right.

[OngBonga]

I've got a lot to learn too, I blitzed through 2nl, but I'm stuck firmly at 10nl, so take my advice fwiw.

[binky bee]

I've got a lot to learn too, I blitzed through 2nl, but I'm stuck firmly at 10nl, so take my advice fwiw.

fwiw?!

OK, well if a few more people pile in and say how wise and sage you are, I shall doff my cap and dub you a genius.

If some folks come in to say what a load of tosh, I'll call you a 'tard. How's that?!

Seriously, your advice is ringing true with my own feelings about the hand on my own review on it. Is there any such thing as bad advice?

[daven]

in general - you don't have to 4x your steals, nothing wrong with doing so - but how often does a 3x steal have to 'work' s a 4x steal? how about 2.5x?

re this hand - preflop good. c-betting flop is great, sizing is fine. Turn is interesting, great card to barrel, however anything you know about villain helps to decide whether this is a good spot to do so. Note that villain is never folding any Kx or Qx on this turn. River you need to decide whether you think you are ahead. Value-betting = you do well against villain's calling range (i.e. villain calls worse), bluffing = you don't do so well vs villain's folding range (i.e. villain folds better). You have showdown value on the river, if you are seeking value from say 77 then you have to bet far smaller, if you want J7 to fold then hmmm, interesting.

[binky bee]

in general - you don't have to 4x your steals, nothing wrong with doing so - but how often does a 3x steal have to 'work' s a 4x steal? how about 2.5x?

re this hand - preflop good. c-betting flop is great, sizing is fine. Turn is interesting, great card to barrel, however anything you know about villain helps to decide whether this is a good spot to do so. Note that villain is never folding any Kx or Qx on this turn. River you need to decide whether you think you are ahead. Value-betting = you do well against villain's calling range (i.e. villain calls worse), bluffing = you don't do so well vs villain's folding range (i.e. villain folds better). You have showdown value on the river, if you are seeking value from say 77 then you have to bet far smaller, if you want J7 to fold then hmmm, interesting.

Christ! Are you saying that maybe I didn't do so bad after all?!!

Hmmm, if that was right, I am not good enough to pat myself on the back.

Your comments help me to think that I might develop well. But if I played this well, even if only arguably, my strong feeling is now that I did so without skilled calculation.

Hmmmm, interesting indeed!

[Icanhastreebet]

I think everything after the flop is almost terrible only cause turn is questionable. River you are just clicking buttons and you clicked the wrong ones in this case.

[Razvan729]

i would c/f turn vs anyone, especially vs a very loose passive player like SB.

i would 2nd barrel on a diamond/7/Q but i would play w/ attention if villain raises when i hit my straight cause 77/JT/QT/JJ are in his range and i dont have even the 3rd nuts.

[binky bee]

Thanks guys. Consensus is this was a bad hand for me.