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  1. #1

    Default 25NL 6m - AQo raised on monotone board

    Only 3 hands on villain so no reads. I raised since I have no idea how villain reacts to 3bet yet, is this standard?

    Bet sizing? Was it correct to call flop? Shove turn as played?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (BB) ($29.30)
    UTG ($19.78)
    MP ($25)
    CO ($25)
    Button ($46.34)
    SB ($26.11)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A
    3 folds, Button bets $0.55, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls $1.20

    Flop: ($3.60) 4, 5, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $6.25, Hero calls $4

    Turn: ($16.10) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $10.50, Hero ???
  2. #2
    He warned you on the flop, and he's warning you on the turn. His range is super strong imo.
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  3. #3
    disclaimer: im a noob.

    I would've thought a call is more standard with AQo vs an unknown, because you're ahead of a normal open/stealing range but its harder to tell how he reacts to 3bets pre.
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    while not a "standard" play for me, pre is probably ok as people will likely peel with AT,AJ,KQ etc. i want to fold the flop tbh although doing that makes me feel a little sick.

    edit: reason being that almost all of his "bluffs" or "semi-bluffs" will have decent equity against us because a hand as weak as 2d7s has decentish equity against us, and whenever he has some value hand like a set or a flopped flush we are fucked. plus he probably doesn't give up on the turn with many, if any, of his bluffs.
    Last edited by rpm; 12-24-2011 at 03:22 AM.
  5. #5
    3-bet is fine vs. BTN, I would probably just fold the flop.

    As played, I think all options suck. Probably shoving the turn because by this point his semi-bluffs aren't folding and we get value from them as well as...IDK, 54 I guess.
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  6. #6
    I'd 3bet pre, b/f flop.
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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'd 3bet pre, b/f flop.
    ?

    Why is 3bet better than calling here? I'm trying to be a bit more aggro but not without knowing why
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    for value. he calls with worse.
  9. #9
    I tend to err on the side of caution before I get into any potentially spewy moves. Without reads/stats on a player I wouldn't 3bet AQo for value...especially OOP. I guess we could infer that villain is opening a wide range on the button, but still.
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  10. #10
    3-betting AQ BB vs. BTN isn't even remotely spewy. Even nits open Ax/KQ/KJ/QJ/JT OTB.
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  11. #11
    3betting AQ on the BB against a BU open is standard for me, unless BU has tight BU stats. This guy is 0/0 from 0 hands on BU at this stage. Standard 3bet.
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  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    3-betting AQ BB vs. BTN isn't even remotely spewy. Even nits open Ax/KQ/KJ/QJ/JT OTB.
    Like I said, until I know about the opponent I am probably less inclined to do so.
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  13. #13
    Thanks for the feedback. Since there really is no consensus on whether 3betting pre or just flatting is better, then is it safe to say that this really is just a matter of preference (normally I just flat here, I just thought of trying things differently)?

    Yeah, I really felt I misplayed the flop right there. But how about my bet sizing?
  14. #14
    No, 3-betting is easily better. There is virtually no one at 6-max 25NL tables (at least, when I played those games) that doesn't open the button at least 25% and you're crushing that range. Furthermore, you will be 3-betting light more often in this position than probably any other and in response, the BTN flats with hands like Ax/KQ so it's important to have more hands for value that crush that range as well.

    I'd be more inclined to flat AJs type hands that have roughly the same hot-cold equity but can continue on far more boards postflop.
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  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by mbiz View Post
    ?

    Why is 3bet better than calling here? I'm trying to be a bit more aggro but not without knowing why
    If you flat then you're oop for the rest of the hand. 3bet for value, since he can call with worse or fold.
  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by tiltingdonkey View Post
    But how about my bet sizing?
    Pre looks good to me, flop I b/f closer to the pot on this flop, perhaps $3.10 but I'm drunk now and just pulling that figure out of my arse without any thought apart from zomg all diamonds.
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  17. #17
    Yeah yeah 3betting is fine at 6max sorry. My head is too engrossed in FR atm.
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  18. #18
    3b is fine, put him on range on flop, and you'll see why folding is best


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