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    Default folding AA on the flop, legit fold?

    Villain is 13% VPIP and 10%PFR with 1%3bet and 17%checkraise over 288 hands and my history with him is one single hand one i flopped nut-straight vs his set and got it all on the turn (i had good odds calling with JT in BU three way pot).

    when he calls oop in sb i though i could narrow down his range pretty hard, between small pocket pairs 22-77 and KK, i don't think he could call with any other like AK without raising my bet.now i was pretty sure he had a good hand so I decided 4betting him and folding to a shove, but he's 5bet was looking to strong as a desperate try to get it in slow that made me fold the hand. I believe he check-folds any AJ AQ hands on flop (but still i don't believe he plays that in SB) and check-raise 44 55 and KK, or maybe AA. I think he would lead out with AK, but still i think he would have re-raised me PF.

    i'm wondering if this is a legit fold in this situation or if you think i have folded the best hand

    FRIENDLY Output From 2011-06-15 16:33:52



    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2.33)
    CO ($2)
    Button ($3.69)
    MP2 ($2.27)
    BB ($2)
    Hero (MP1) ($4.35)
    UTG ($2.12)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with AhAs,
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 3 folds, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.18) 4d, 5c, Kh (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.13, SB raises $0.36, Hero raises $0.51, SB raises $1.21, Hero folds

    Total pot: $1.46
  2. #2
    So much in this hand that i don't like. PF he is easily calling here with AK, KQs. On the flop I hate your 3bet sizing. If you discount him having AK PF bc he didnt 3bet (which i disagree with) then you can discount him having KK, so to find a fold here you are putting him exclusively on 44 or 55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydeuce View Post
    when he calls oop in sb i though i could narrow down his range pretty hard, between small pocket pairs 22-77 and KK
    Just for clarity, you mean 22-KK right? You are not excluding 88-QQ i hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazydeuce View Post
    ...I believe he check-folds any AJ AQ hands on flop...
    Don't consider hands on the flop that are not in your PF range.
    Last edited by Openside; 06-15-2011 at 06:02 PM.
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    OTF - 3bet to about $0.95 and call a shove.

    As played

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    what do you mean by Don't consider hands on the flop that are not in your PF range. ?

    he's a little tricky, i believe it's more likely for him to trap with KK in sb than AK. and more likely check-raising with a set than TPTK.

    yeah i wanted to say 22+, i didn't exclude 88-QQ - but i specifically put him on 22 to 99 before the flop because as far as i've seen him i thought he would be the player who would 3bet me with better from sb.
    Last edited by crazydeuce; 06-15-2011 at 08:24 PM.
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    ur opponent's range gets tighter as more streets are played, if he didn't have it pre, he won't have it otr

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    1% 3bet is not 3betting TT or prolly even JJ.

    Against KK,55-44,AKs,KQs,AKo,KQo we have 59% equity. With a 17% c/r he's prolly got some bluffs in there.
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    I like how you picked a flop 3b size that looks like you're trying to induce, then you go and fold when he raises.

    Just call the flop c/r

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