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    Default $2NL FR - Barrel turn?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    SB ($2.08)
    BB ($2)
    Hero (UTG) ($3.61)
    UTG+1 ($1.52)
    MP1 ($2.05)
    MP2 ($3.28)
    CO ($1.92)
    Button ($1.97)
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
    Hero bets $0.08, 5 folds, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold
    Flop: ($0.18) 2, Q, 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, SB calls $0.12
    Turn: ($0.42) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks
    River: ($0.42) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.24, Hero folds
    Total pot: $0.42 | Rake: $0.02

    SB was running 15/15 at time over 50 hands seemed competent was 6 tabling, only history I 3 bet his button raise and he folded.

    Pre-flop, I was unsure whether to throw it away but the table was playing quite passively and I was sure I wouldn't of been 3 bet bluff from anyone but the blinds who were ok players.
    Flop I think cbet is good if I barrel the turn as I think the majority of villains range after flat calling preflop is 22-TT, AQ, I think barrelling the turn will make him fold the pocket pairs and if he does call I can fold or check the river.

    If i dont barrel the turn, then not cbetting seem better, although this seems very exploitable as I am cbetting with my made hands almost 100%.
    "Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
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    I think you can just go ahead and dump this pre. Most of these muppets at $2nl are not positionally aware, so your raise is not likely to get any more respect than usual.

    As played, I think your line is fine. You cbet, he calls, you shut up shop. He might have bricked a flush draw, but I suspect he has the queen or a pp more often, and some flush draws have also paired, such as A9s etc.
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    Pre-flop are we dumping this UTG at any table then, even if very tight?
    "Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
  4. #4
    if there are a bunch of weak players then raising this UTG is EV++++++ as people will call with tons of worse Aces and tons of worse Jacks and provide you with a ton of value post flop. Obviously fold if 3bet by anything other than the biggest of whales.

    As for the question, his fold to cbet is going to help you here, if it is low then fire another barrel, if its high then just check behind.
  5. #5
    This hand is played completely fine. AJs is kind of borderline but I don't have a problem opening it at 2NL
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics View Post
    As for the question, his fold to cbet is going to help you here, if it is low then fire another barrel, if its high then just check behind.
    The hand sample size was only 55 hands, and there were no hands where an opponent c-bet into him before mine.
    "Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
  7. #7
    then i would err on the safe side and play it like you did...theres plenty of opportunities for fat value at 2nl, no use getting into whack spots vs unknowns
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    Yeah i just thought it could of been an opportunity to make a +ev turn barrel.
    "Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
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    Looks pretty std to me. AJs is iffy as UTG, most times I just drop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfc_andy15 View Post
    Yeah i just thought it could of been an opportunity to make a +ev turn barrel.
    unless you have a very specific read on villian, there's no such thing as a +ev turn barrel at 2nl
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    I should be clear, I have no problem playing AJs UTG at $2nl, but for me it's not the norm. I'll play it if I can find a reason to, as opposed fold it if I find a reason to. It's a decent hand of course against idiots who overvalue ace rag, but we're still out of position. I like to raise this if there's a whale on the blind, and CO/BU are positionally aware enough to respect my raise. Otherwise I'll very probably just fold and wait for this hand in better position. It's ok to fold it, that's all I'm saying.
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    it's at the very bottom of my opening range here, but it's there. folding isn't terrible or anything but vs 2NL droolers, fek. you'd have to suck bad enough postflop to want to barrel this turn to make this a unprofitable open
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    i'd definitely advocate opening AJs UTG because so many dominated hands will call us. flop is standard, and this is in the top 5 worst cards for barreling in the whole deck. check it back.
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    barrelling turn is bad imo. The purpose of the barrel is to rep something. You repped something on the flop and they called. The 3c is not a card to rep (its unlikely to have helped you) so barrelling won't be +ev imo
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    THE BC IS ALIIIIIIIVE
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    My thinking was with repping the turn that my range from raising UTG here is probably 99+, AJs+, AQo+, I am cbetting this board with QQ,KK,AA,AQo,AKo,AJs,AQs,AKs, and checking the flop back with 99,TT,JJ normally.
    On the turn I am barrelling this turn with QQ,KK,AA,AQs,AQo normally so I was thinking that if I am barrelling this turn my range becomes a lot stronger.
    "Whether he likes it or not, a man's character is stripped bare at the poker table; if the other players read him better than he does, he has only himself to blame. Unless he is both able and prepared to see himself as others do, flaws and all, he will be a loser in cards, as in life."
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfc_andy15 View Post
    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) -
    Flop I think cbet is good if I barrel the turn as I think the majority of villains range after flat calling preflop is 22-TT, AQ, I think barrelling the turn will make him fold the pocket pairs and if he does call I can fold or check the river.
    Barreling the turn also probably wont make him fold a flush draw, so if you decide to go for it you also must barrel river if it misses a flush card.

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