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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    Hero (MP1) ($5.14)
    MP2 ($3.25)
    MP3 ($1.82)
    CO ($15.06)
    Button ($6.98)
    SB ($5)
    BB ($2)
    UTG ($5.37)
    UTG+1 ($6.54)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with ,
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 3 folds, Button calls $0.20, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.47) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.45, Button raises to $0.90

    Hero? villain is 15/12 AFq 34 over 50 hands, no specific reads


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    saw flop

    CO ($14.39)
    Button ($5.19)
    SB ($5.09)
    Hero (BB) ($5.93)
    UTG ($4.45)
    UTG+1 ($3.20)
    MP1 ($2.45)
    MP2 ($5.61)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
    UTG bets $0.10, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.05

    Flop: ($0.32) , , (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks

    Turn: ($0.32) (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.23, UTG calls $0.23, 1 fold

    River: ($0.78) (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.75, UTG raises to $4.12 (All-In)

    hero??? villain is 67/45 AFq 58 over 20 hands
  2. #2
    H1 - Range, stove & report back (QJ/44/AQ/KQ/KT/JJ/QQ/bluffs/spazzes)
    H2 - Insta-call. I'm never folding a boat vs a 67/45. Also, if villain is this aggro, you can donk in to his ass on the flop and hope he comes over the top.
    Last edited by StarGrinder; 01-17-2011 at 01:59 PM.
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    Ranges?

    H1:
    3b flop doesn't achieve much imo as only better hands call and worse hands fold. I'd call. AQ 6 combos, KQs 3 combos, JJ 6 combos (maybe discount some as he could 3b this), 44 6 combos. Sometimes QQ, sometimes KK (what is his 3b% pre?), sometimes KTs.

    Possible range Equity
    JJ,44,AQs,AQo 49%
    QQ-JJ,44,AQs,AQo 42%
    QQ-JJ,44,AQs,QJs,AQo 40%
    QQ-JJ,44,AQs,KQs,AQo 48%
    JJ,44,AQs,KQs,AQo 56%

    Pot odds are 20%...

    Maybe it's dumb but I would b/f most turns for 60% pot. If we check and he bets big we have to give up and possibly fold the best hand. Also I would maybe bet a little less on the flop, there are not many strong draws in his range (KTs is unlikely to flat pre from a 15/12).

    H2:
    donk flop, call river.
    Last edited by daviddem; 01-17-2011 at 02:25 PM.
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    I've played a lot at that level.

    H1. After the flop raise you know that you are up against 2-pair, a set or a maniac. If I didn't have a clear read that I was up against a maniac then I would fold on the flop.

    H2. Up against a very aggressive player who suddenly gets passive? Looks like being up against a flush. Certainly calling the river AI bet. If up against JJ, 66 or 55 then that is just sheer bad luck.
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    hand 1 is really close. Calling is only ok if you have a turn plan.

    hand 2 is a good time to bet the flop, river is a call and it's not even close vs a 67-45 who thinks QQ is the nuts here, so definitely rates his flushes and 6x hands enough to go broke...
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    hand 2- LEAD FLOP PLEASE, this kind of flop gets checked around frequently, theres tons of value to be had on this flop that you are letting get a free card to suck out on you/kill your action.

    Hand 1- Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    35,640 games 0.005 secs 7,128,000 games/sec

    Board: 4d Qh Jc
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 51.097% 50.96% 00.13% 18163 48.00 { AcAd }
    Hand 1: 48.903% 48.77% 00.13% 17381 48.00 { QQ-JJ, 44, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }

    obv if you think hes going to stack off with AQ/KQ then 4bet and get it in, if you do not think he is raising with them at all then you are getting crushed and should fold. If you think he is raising with AQ/KQ but will fold to a 3bet then call and let him keep barrelling, if he checks behind id lead the river. I would be inclined to put them in his stacking off range being as he is an unknown 5nler, but its going to come down to that. Obv if he is raising with T9s/KTs as well then not folding becomes more EV+.
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    After the flop raise you know that you are up against 2-pair, a set or a maniac.
    I am not so sure, I also regularly see people who minraise/fold cbets as a cheap way to find out if their top pair or even second pair is good. Or another way to see it is that they thin-raise for value. If you were villain with AQ or KQ, would you just call and be happy to give 7 free outs to all the AK's in your opponent's range?
    Last edited by daviddem; 01-17-2011 at 03:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    hand 1 is really close. Calling is only ok if you have a turn plan.
    I am interested to know what your turn plan would be if you decided to call? (OP sorry for the hijack)
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    H1: seems no one folds here, called flop and lead turn 1/2p he reraised 3x me i fold, he showed JJ

    H2: i called river, 66 quads. thought i should have folded there tho.

    anyway ty for the replyes, interested more if line in hands is ok more then actual result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    H1: seems no one folds here, called flop and lead turn 1/2p he reraised 3x me i fold, he showed JJ
    think i said it was close, and why are you leading turn 1/2 pot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    H2: i called river, 66 quads. thought i should have folded there tho.
    dude, he's 67-45. Folding here would be incredibly bad. You think he plays 42o/67o/Asxs any differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    I am interested to know what your turn plan would be if you decided to call? (OP sorry for the hijack)
    check-decide some, mostly bet-fold $0.45
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    check-decide some, mostly bet-fold $0.45
    Sounds good to me, can you please expand on which turns you would check/decide rather than b/f? Also, is $0.45 into $2.27 not a little too gay? (read: an aggressive opp could pick on weakness with his TP here?)
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    i see them fools all the time raise here just raise his ass back and take it down

    i know u bet that 23 for mj but my man lebron got shit tight
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    I like how you played hand 1, another option is to go into c/c mode. The min raise is polarized. If he tries to get stacks in, you can dump it, but if he barrels smallish you get great value from his bluffs. Maybe that doesn't apply so much to FR though.

    Def bet the flop in hand 2, you can't give a free card here, snap river.
    Last edited by couriermike; 01-18-2011 at 01:09 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    think i said it was close, and why are you leading turn 1/2 pot?


    dude, he's 67-45. Folding here would be incredibly bad. You think he plays 42o/67o/Asxs any differently?
    H1: i lead turn, in case it was just a minraise with AQ, KQ, KK, or weaker hand, if i ck he would ck back and give him a free card. like this i would make him pay for river. wasnt the case cause he rereaised and i folded, donk think he does that 2 streets just TPTK or air.


    H2: i know he take the same line 6x, overpairs, any flus combo.... told you, i posted just to make sure better players then me would call also an opp like this and to get your ok for the river call.
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    H1. After the flop raise you know that you are up against 2-pair, a set or a maniac.
    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    I am not so sure, I also regularly see people who minraise/fold cbets as a cheap way to find out if their top pair or even second pair is good. Or another way to see it is that they thin-raise for value. If you were villain with AQ or KQ, would you just call and be happy to give 7 free outs to all the AK's in your opponent's range?
    If I had AQ or KQ, then you are correct and I would raise here. But I stand by what I said. This is microstakes poker and the vast majority of the time the villain holds either 2-pair or a set or is a maniac.
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    Call with both hands. But have a plan on the turn for the first one.

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