Overs and turned NFD vs random 75BB deep

[Donachello]

Like I said, villain is unknown, like... 17/0 with a 7 aggression factor over like 6 hands or something. His stack size is kind of weird though I don't remember how much he actually bought in for. It's safe to assume he is probably pretty meh given that this is 10NL fr.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($11.24)
Button ($10.32)
SB ($10)
BB ($10.64)
UTG ($10.11)
UTG+1 ($6.12)
MP1 ($8.96)
Hero (MP2) ($10)
MP3 ($7.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, MP3 calls $0.35, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

I have no idea why I didn't 3bet this preflop except that I don't like getting AKo in pre at FR but this is still retarded to not 3bet here.

Flop: ($1.45) Q, 3, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds

I decide to stab with overs and backdoor NFD

Turn: ($3.45) 6 (2 players)

Turn brings in NFD, villain has 6.50 behind. THE F DO? His range is probably all over the place with random high cards, Ax, Qx, low PP, spades, shit like 45.


Basically this hand is stupid and could be fixed by 3betting pre. But the turn is where I would like comments on since checking essentially probably induces a bet which puts my hand in a meh spot.

[Razvan729]

i would still bet 1/2 pot... you were the flop better, they just called, cant see what flush combos could have been played from utg or BB so that they would keep calling.

[Imthenewfish]

just because you think checking induces a bet isn't a reason to bet okay??? it seems like anything besides c/f (or c/c depending on sizing) is spew. Even if you do think checking induces you to get bluffed too often then c/r seems better than leading again imo. But jesus christ, you have 6 hands on him don't stack here

[daven]

3b pre is nicer, are you hoping to get squeezed or something?
flop bet is ok i guess
turn barrel or check-decide are both fine.

[daviddem]

I don't know if I like the stab on the flop. I mean it's not that I really dislike it, what I mean is that I wouldn't have done it. If I had to do it I would pot it for better fold equity.

turn I think I like b/f better. c/decide is more often than not going to end up in a fold imo because apart from 100% floats I don't see how he does not have a made hand by now, which he will bet big to get value from any draw. If he's got a weak made hand like second pair or TPNK it also gives him a perfect opportunity for a bluff against what he may perceive as a scared better hand. So the chance of a free card is remote I would say. b/f also gives you a decent amount of fold equity vs part of his range, it is simple to play and gives you a chance to set the price of the next card yourself, so I would b/f $2.3 or so.

[Donachello]

3b pre is nicer, are you hoping to get squeezed or something?
flop bet is ok i guess
turn barrel or check-decide are both fine.

If you do barrel how would you size it? A standard size like 2.30? or smaller because of his smaller stack.

[d0zer]

If you do barrel how would you size it? A standard size like 2.30? or smaller because of his smaller stack.

I'd fire again, and probably make it like 1.70 with his stack

[daviddem]

I agree I had not paid attention to his stack when I wrote $2.3.

[HarleyGuy13]

Like I said, villain is unknown, like... 17/0 with a 7 aggression factor over like 6 hands or something. His stack size is kind of weird though I don't remember how much he actually bought in for. It's safe to assume he is probably pretty meh given that this is 10NL fr.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($11.24)
Button ($10.32)
SB ($10)
BB ($10.64)
UTG ($10.11)
UTG+1 ($6.12)
MP1 ($8.96)
Hero (MP2) ($10)
MP3 ($7.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, MP3 calls $0.35, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

I have no idea why I didn't 3bet this preflop except that I don't like getting AKo in pre at FR but this is still retarded to not 3bet here.

Flop: ($1.45) Q, 3, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds

I decide to stab with overs and backdoor NFD

Turn: ($3.45) 6 (2 players)

Turn brings in NFD, villain has 6.50 behind. THE F DO? His range is probably all over the place with random high cards, Ax, Qx, low PP, spades, shit like 45.


Basically this hand is stupid and could be fixed by 3betting pre. But the turn is where I would like comments on since checking essentially probably induces a bet which puts my hand in a meh spot.

Ok so once again I am doing this for my own practice please don't think this is an attempt to give advice! I haven't read any of the responses either so please nobody take any of what I am saying as a retort to something already stated.

I struggle with what type of range to give somebody with such a small sample but I would think it is safe to say he is going to turn out to be pretty tight although all he has done it limp so far. Given that I would think maybe something like {77+,A8s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KQo}

Pre-flop I am sure you already regret not raising so we'll not dwell on that. Had I played it I think I would have raised it upto around $1.25ish.

When villain checks the flop I like the bet but not the amount as I would think psb would be better? I'm betting here to either take it down or for value against should villain stay in with a made pair of which I'll be ahead should I catch either an A or K. Not giving much thought to the backdoor flush draw really at this point. So he calls our bet and now we have to narrow his range. I have a hard time narrowing it down much really I drop AA and KK because I figured he'd raise these but I'm not really sure. Does his limping lead us to think he could be a slow player? At any rate I come up with QQ-77,AQs,KJs+,QJs,AQo+,A7o,KQo,QJo for his continueing range. And we are a mile behind at this point with only 26.867% equity!

Having not narrowed his range much at all the turn doesn't change things for us a lot really. We picked up 1.197% so now we're a whopping 32.172%! Based on this now I am leaning towards a pot sized bet hoping our fold equity is on our side. I think since we hold the As we can represent the nut flush. Now this may be the biggest flaw in my thinking but I'm betting with a plan to fold should I get raised. Of course I put myself in a spot should I just get called and don't hit either the flush of tptk on the turn.

Really not trying to hi-jack the thread but would appreciate any feed back on my thinking!

[NightGizmo]

I'm not crazy about the flop bluff in a 4way pot. Do you have reads that the other players will fold often, or call often with worse? Which of the players did you think had the highest chance of calling, and what was your position on them if they did call? Also, do you have any reads on the villain's bet sizing (does he always bet large, or have you seen him throw some minbets/gaybets into the mix)? If there is any chance that you can see the turn cheaply with a check, I would prefer that route.

Harley -- what size bet would you bet on the turn? Keep in mind that stacks are shallow now -- anything more than about $2 will commit you even if he raises all-in (assuming you have 30% against his raising range).

[couriermike]

You could fire again with your increased equity. You probably have to being oop. IP I'd just take a free card. One orbit is not enough to really know this player. He has called twice already without raising, so checking to see what he does is OK too. If he gives you the odds to draw, great, if not, you can just muck it. +1 on checking the flop.

[kfaess]

Give me a good reason for why you bet the flop

[d0zer]

Give me a good reason for why you bet the flop

it's fine as long as the plan involves firing this turn

[bikes]

just because you think checking induces a bet isn't a reason to bet okay??? it seems like anything besides c/f (or c/c depending on sizing) is spew. Even if you do think checking induces you to get bluffed too often then c/r seems better than leading again imo. But jesus christ, you have 6 hands on him don't stack here

this has to be a horrible horrible level.


bet obv. 1.6
edit 10nl. dont shove most rivers