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  1. #1
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    Default 5NL FR - ugly KK hands

    I think I've been playing like shit again, so hit me!

    H1:
    Opp is 17/13/2.0AF over 24 hands.

    His range pre AQ+, 22-QQ

    I think he only raises the flop with 55,33,88 and JJ-QQ?

    I doubt he'd call a 4b with JJ-QQ but we're still (slightly) ahead of this range though, so I thought a call would be adequate.

    The Qh on the turn messes up our equity against this range (only 35%). I checked. Would a b/f have been a better play?

    Not sure what to do facing his half pot bet.

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    saw flop

    Hero (UTG) ($5.05)
    UTG+1 ($11.78)
    MP1 ($2.80)
    MP2 ($9.71)
    CO ($4.58)
    Button ($4.78)
    SB ($10.05)
    BB ($6.30)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
    Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.20, 4 folds

    Flop: ($0.47) 5, 3, 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.35, MP2 raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.45

    Turn: ($2.07) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $1

    H2:
    UTG+1 is 25/5/1AF over 20 hands and MP1 is 71/6/0.3AF over 17 hands.

    I'd say both opps ranges on the flop are similar for calling my pot sized bet:
    99-QQ,AK,77,55,T8s,98s,87s,76s,64s. That's if they call with gutshots.

    If the ranges are correct, this 8s on the turn is a bad card. Check?

    Then pot sized bet from UTG+1. Hero?

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    saw flop

    Hero (UTG) ($5)
    UTG+1 ($11.78)
    MP1 ($2.80)
    MP2 ($10.65)
    MP3 ($4.58)
    CO ($4.78)
    Button ($10.03)
    SB ($6.25)
    BB ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
    Hero bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, 6 folds

    Flop: ($0.67) 9, 7, 5 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60, MP1 calls $0.60

    Turn: ($2.47) 8 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $2.20, 1 fold

    H3:
    Opp is 59/12/2.2AF over 34 hands.

    I'd say his cold calling range pre is similar to his raising range:
    QQ-77,A9s+,KTs+,QJs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+

    He calls the pot sized bet on the flop (assuming he doesn't slowplay sets and two pairs, which would be pretty silly on this board) with all his top pairs less AQ, his flush draws and open ended straight draws.
    JJ,AJs,AcTc,Ac9c,KJs+,KcTc,QTs+,JTs,AJo,KJo+,QJo

    I stoved this and it looks like we are still slightly ahead on the turn, but somehow during play I thought I was behind. So again I checked, and again, I think a b/f would have been better? As played, I don't know how to respond to the $1 bet. Looks like exactly one of those spots described by ISF in his "b/f" thread.

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    saw flop

    SB ($5.32)
    BB ($3.50)
    Hero (UTG) ($5)
    UTG+1 ($5.46)
    MP1 ($2.19)
    MP2 ($11.10)
    CO ($3.76)
    Button ($5.41)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
    Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.20, 4 folds

    Flop: ($0.47) Q, 9, 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.45, MP2 calls $0.45

    Turn: ($1.37) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $1
    Last edited by daviddem; 10-31-2010 at 08:49 AM.
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    H1 seems kind of close, I probably check/fold the turn or plan on calling the river as well.

    H2 - c/f

    H3 - I'd prefer bet/folding, as played fold since his betting range is much stronger than his calling range here.
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    I think you can call the last hand. Even if we are behind most of the time, we have out 3 nut outs with huge implied odds since these guys will never fold a full house or trips. You are getting 2.4:1 and you need ~4:1 its very likely that your going to get 2 bucks on river if you hit K or Jc. The hard part of this call is not calling if u hit a non club J.

    Board: Qd 9c Tc Qc
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 81.179% 80.97% 00.21% 570 1.50 { QQ, TT-99, AQs, KQs, AQo }
    Hand 1: 18.821% 18.61% 00.21% 131 1.50 { KcKh }
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    hand 1 - even with a small sample you know a lot about this guy. You know there's a good chance he's tag or nit pre-flop. If you knew how many tables he was playing you would have another good read -> if you're only playing a few tables it can be worth doing a player search for players at your tables and finding this out as well = another read to supplement your small sample size stats. Even without searching, if he's at >1 of your tables you have a useful piece of information.
    flop is fine, his range is basically 22, 33, 77+, stubborn AQ/AK. Turn you can bet-fold $1.10 and get value from his rare AQ and his 99-JJ that don't believe you. You can also check fold if you feel nit enough. If turn checks through then river is a pretty easy $1.45 bet-fold for value. Remember that the major leak at micros is too much calling, and this guy will have this standard leak.

    hand 2 - check-fold turn is great here. nh

    hand 3 - pre flop range obviously includes 22-66 as well. Your rationale for his range after his flop call is flawed as you seem to discount a 59-12 doing something 'pretty silly on this board'. Flop bet looks good to me. I like block turn $0.15 and hope he's bad enough to min-raise (happens), obviously folding to a proper raise.

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