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  1. #1

    Default Rollercoaster comeback

    Hi guys,

    I was a quite assiduous member at FTR a few months ago. I stopped playing for a while because I moved to the Netherlands, but this week I decided to come back playing, listening to podcasts and checking the posts here.

    I'll post some hands of NL 10. I'm playing at NoIQ poker (euro site) but I'm considering to move to other poker room (probably UB to get rakeback, but I'm still deciding) because there a lot of regs playing for rake at NoIQ.

    HAND 1:
    This hand is just bizarre. The guy is a donkey running 72/24 and I made a bad call. I checked to him on the flop because I considered that he would bet a lot of crap here that he is not calling with. His range is huge and his bet size is just strange. If he has something why would he bet THAT much?

    In the end, he got what he wanted and I made a stupid call. In retrospect, I think that the best line here is b/f, I guess. Please tell me what you think.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    CO ($10.31)
    Button ($10.09)
    Hero (SB) ($11.28)
    BB ($8.72)
    UTG ($13.69)
    MP ($6.08)
    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
    1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.45, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40
    Flop: ($1.10) 3, A, 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $5.58 (All-In), Hero calls $5.58
    Turn: ($12.26) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)
    River: ($12.26) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
    Total pot: $12.26
    Results below:
    Hero had 10, 10 (one pair, tens).
    MP had A, Q (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: MP won $11.66

    HAND 2
    Is this a fold PF or a 4 bet? The guy was 78/20 and over 52 hands and his 3bet% was around 13% (with this small sample it doesnt matter much). I was caught inbetween these two choices and probably, I made the worse decision: to call. Is it a super standard fold here?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    MP ($9.82)
    Hero (CO) ($13.17)
    Button ($10.44)
    SB ($13.43)
    BB ($16.56)
    UTG ($10.78)
    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, A
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB raises $1.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.90
    Flop: ($2.70) 6, 10, 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $2.70, Hero folds
    Total pot: $2.70
    Results below:
    SB didn't show
    Outcome: SB won $5.27

    HAND 3 (added later):
    This was tricky for me to figure out what to do. Villain was 53/25 and I decided to call in the button after 2 limpers. It was a disaster. Let me know what you think and what you should do differently.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    CO ($3.30)
    Hero (Button) ($10.15)
    SB ($13.08)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($12.24)
    MP ($17.28)
    Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 8
    1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checks
    Flop: ($0.50) 8, 7, 5 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.37, 2 folds, MP calls $0.37, 1 fold
    Turn: ($1.24) 3 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $0.90, MP raises $3.94, Hero raises $8.78 (All-In), MP calls $5.74
    River: ($20.60) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
    Total pot: $20.60
    Results below:
    Hero had 7, 8 (two pair, eights and sevens).
    MP had 6, 4 (straight, eight high).
    Outcome: MP won $19.60


    Thats all for today! This session was pure rolercoaster...I lost big pots in the begining. Got down to 200 BBs and still managed to get almost even (-9BBs). Hope to do better in the next one.
    Last edited by Raoni_Poker; 07-25-2010 at 12:54 PM.
  2. #2
    Hand 1: Put your opponent on a range, even a guy playing this loose is going to limp/call with Ax a whole bunch. No need to be overly suspicious about the overbet here. Some idiot players use this as a means to get value in because they genuinely have no other idea how to do so.

    Hand 2: I don't hate flatting the 3-bet against this kind of villain, but really, we need some kind of reads on their 3-betting range to pull this off correctly. 13% over 52 hands is probably like 1/8 or 2/16, which just isn't that much information to work off - unless you happen to have seen these hands go to showdown. For instance, if you saw him 3-bet with hands like KQs or A5o previously, you'd feel better about calling with AJs here since it has good value against a wide-ish range.

    As played, fold is fine obv.

    Hand 3: Stove up a probable range on your villain here, I think it would come down to how many flush/straight draw and weaker two-pair hands fit in their range versus sets and made straights. It's close, but the flop call and turn check/over-raise would have me weight the top of his range far more than the bottom.
  3. #3
    1) I like a c/f on the flop here unless this guy is so much of a station that we can bet for value against random overcards.
    2)seems standard, but then again it is a small sample size
    3)pot flop, i don't really think we can call the turn bet leaving like a half psb left because I feel that we're pretty much committed to calling the river and villain won't be if he's on a draw. I think that someone running 53/25 usually has enough draws in their range here to justify moving in, but it is really close and if he was a little more passive then I think it's a fold.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by imthenewfish View Post
    what penney said
    fyp
  5. #5
    1. I think a c/c on the flop is fine when he bets like 0.50-1.00 but when he bets 5x pot u just have to fold without very specific reads.

    2. Kinda on the fence about this hand. AJo I would def just fold. I think it could go either way but I think I would just fold given sample size. If he had a 13% 3b over 2000 hands I think its def a call.

    3. Looks fine to me.
  6. #6
    1)Easy fold, if you b/f flop what is your plan for the turn?

    2)4 betting turns your hand into a bluff which sucks in this spot. It's close between calling and folding pre.

    3)Preflop is fine, figure out the equity you need and put him on a range.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopyDude View Post
    figure out the equity you need
    We were the one that moved in, but I don't really see any merit in just calling here. Gonna try to find the equity we need to shove here (omitting fold equity). The pot is 6.08 when villain raises, and we have 4.84 behind, so 4.84/(6.08+(4.84*2))= about 31% equity against his continuing range. I think we can also factor in fold equity which would decrease how much equity we need(?), but I don't think villain is like ever raise/folding here.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    We were the one that moved in, but I don't really see any merit in just calling here. Gonna try to find the equity we need to shove here (omitting fold equity). The pot is 6.08 when villain raises, and we have 4.84 behind, so 4.84/(6.08+(4.84*2))= about 31% equity against his continuing range. I think we can also factor in fold equity which would decrease how much equity we need(?), but I don't think villain is like ever raise/folding here.
    this is wrong....ok we have about 8 dollars left ...the pot is 6.08 like you said, and so far we have put 1.37 into the pot so we have 10.15-1.37= 8.78 left....if you are treating this as basically us calling an all in for all our chips at this point we would be calling 8.78 to win 6.08 (the pot) + 5.74 (villain calling our bet) + 8.78 (bet) so 20.06. so 8.78/20.06 is like .42 so we would need 42 percent equity. pretty sure this is right not 100% though
  9. #9
    4got to add the 3.94 *2 ;(

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