10/20: few hands line check

[pocketfours]

Taking a shot as tables seemed soft. Never played with any villains before. Was playing nittyish 21/17/11%.


Hand 1:
Villain is unknown 32/27/11% LAG reg, ATS 57% small sample.

UTG ($10057.50)
MP ($3422)
Button ($3937)
SB ($2010)
Hero (BB) ($3971)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 9
3 folds, SB bets $60, Hero calls $40

Flop: ($120) 3, 2, 9 (2 players)
SB bets $100, Hero calls $100

Turn: ($320) A (2 players)
SB bets $260, Hero calls $260

River: ($840) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $720, Hero raises to $3551 (All-In), $870 for villain to call.





Hand 2:
Villain is a reg. Insignificant sample for stats. Preflop is loose I guess but it can't be too bad. Flop plan was c/r and river plan was c/f. Should I lead this flop instead? Should I b/f river?


Hero (BB) ($2000)
UTG ($3173)
MP ($1340.75)
CO ($9461)
Button ($2030)
SB ($2490)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 10
2 folds, CO bets $60, Button calls $60, SB calls $50, Hero calls $40

Flop: ($240) 10, 8, A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks

Turn: ($240) 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $200, CO calls $200, 2 folds

River: ($640) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks with intention to c/f unless he bets very small.




Hand 3:
Villain is a fish, bought in uneven amount and plays only one table. Stats at 30/19/5% small sample, seemed pretty aggro. Best flop line?

Button ($2000)
SB ($2000)
BB ($8600)
Hero (UTG) ($2037)
MP ($7186)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, Q
Hero bets $70, MP calls $70, 3 folds

Flop: ($170) 3, 8, A (2 players)
Hero bets $120, MP raises to $390, Hero raises to $1967 (All-In)...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Hand 1: I think this is terrible
Hand 2: I'd lead flop, rest seems fine.
Hand 3: I think I'd just fold to the flop raise, this seems like the 2nd best alternative.

[pocketfours]

Hand 1: I think this is terrible

I don't know why you hate the play, I at least don't think my shove looks too much like a bluff, even in a vacuum. Should I just have called instead?

I also thought my shove would get more credit because of the 77 hand, since now he could think that I would want to slowplay a turned flush (because he should think that I will expect my raises to be respected).

My own assessment was that I couldn't call his river bet profitably because he could easily be making a thin bet with a flopped overpair or turned top pair (MAYBE even flopped TPGK but that would be sick). I certainly didn't think he has a flush very often at all and we know he doesn't have the nuts at least.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't know why you hate the play, I at least don't think my shove looks too much like a bluff, even in a vacuum. Should I just have called instead?

I also thought my shove would get more credit because of the 77 hand, since now he could think that I would want to slowplay a turned flush (because he should think that I will expect my raises to be respected).

My own assessment was that I couldn't call his river bet profitably because he could easily be making a thin bet with a flopped overpair or turned top pair (MAYBE even flopped TPGK but that would be sick). I certainly didn't think he has a flush very often at all and we know he doesn't have the nuts at least.

I like this in a spot where there is a lot of thin one pair value. I disagree with your assessment that he is making a thin bet on the river with a flopped overpair or turned top pair. I think if this is the case you will see some fairly obvious long timing before the bet, but I'm not sure you don't see a check anyways. If I don't have that tell or some sort of tell you have a situation where a set will likely convince themselves to call given the vibe of opp.

[Alexos]

1- wat? sick scandi bluff!
2- id fold pre most likely unless one of them is a fish. i don't like a flop lead, rather let CO cbet and tarp them all in between! I'd prob vbet river if it wasn't a spade.

[griffey24]

hand 1 - I really think ppl call too much bvb just cause they have position. Maybe it's just me but I think having the initiative (from sb) is often >> position (from bb) in spots where both ppl are likely to miss

hand 2 - pre is meh, but I'm with ISF and I'd lead in a spot like this where I don't expect a light cbet and c/r will look mega strong. CO can still have all aces.. I don't mind a halfpotish value bet here.

hand 3 - unless he bluff raises flops a lot, I guess b/f is best.

[gabe]

does anyone like raising flop in hand 1

[pocketfours]

does anyone like raising flop in hand 1

That's interesting. I was actually considering raising the flop in hand 1, but then I didn't because of another relevant hand just a few orbits back where he donkbet top pair against my UTG open and I thought he would perhaps give a raise more credit than normal because of it.


MP ($9880.50)
Button ($3532)
SB ($3887)
BB ($3655)
Hero (UTG) ($2047)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7, 7
Hero bets $70, 3 folds, BB calls $50

Flop: ($150) 7, Q, 5 (2 players)
BB bets $120, Hero raises to $320, BB calls $200

Turn: ($790) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $470, BB calls $470

River: ($1730) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1187 (All-In), BB calls $1187

Total pot: $4104 | Rake: $3

Results:
BB had Q, K (one pair, Queens).
Hero had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $4101


He clearly thought I was spazzing and was wrong, so I thought he wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

[Toadstool]

I quite like hand 1, I mean Villain can't know much about hero, so he won't know hero is capable of bluffing here. What a sick spot it is if an unknown shoves on you there, even if you are getting good odds, what would be the bottom of your calling range?

[griffey24]

I quite like hand 1, I mean Villain can't know much about hero, so he won't know hero is capable of bluffing here. What a sick spot it is if an unknown shoves on you there, even if you are getting good odds, what would be the bottom of your calling range?

I agree its a sick spot to bluff. I'd like it infinitely more if villain bet like 620ish, but his sizing is very strong here I feel.

[Ravageur]

yeah hand 1 is sick, it's scary since his river bet is so big but it's also pretty likely that that size was chosen to avoid inducing a shove that he doesn't want to have to deal with. I mean....let's say Villain posted that hand and he has AQ, I think everyone says 'snapfold' right?

Hand 2 : I think you can valuebet river.

Hand 3 : Fold flop I think...seems like ppl aren't attacking c-bets on these types of boards too often because ppl like you think they're FOS and will shove any draw/made hand.

[Genitruc]

for hand 3 I prefer flat the flop raise and check/shove turn most betsizes

[IowaSkinsFan]

Also, his river bet was big making me think its not thin value as well.

[pocketfours]

I think this is an obvious thin value spot for a tard with 57% ATS in blind battle. Even more so considering he just lost a big pot.