10NL open AQo UTG, btn calls and minraises my cbet

[mbiz]

Villain is 14/10/3 over ~300 hands.

Have been involved in a hand previously where i cbet some flop with Ahigh then hit an A on turn and he folded to my barrel.

I felt a bit lost on the turn - bet? c/c ?
When he minraise me I think he has lots of PP's that i beat, JT, KJ, AK, AQ, AJ, QJ, JJ, QQ. Maybe T9.
Those flop minraises just reek of bs to me.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($10.65)
UTG+1 highdareguys ($10.15)
MP1 bucs2002 ($10)
MP2 Lars Botman ($17.50)
CO 69XxchadxX69 ($13.25)
BTN Ghostkiki ($9.80)
SB DustyDog771 ($16.75)
BB c7rfnmn ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Ghostkiki calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Ghostkiki raises to $1.40, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.75, 2 players)
[color=#cc0000][b]Hero ???

[rpm]

Villain is 14/10/3 over ~300 hands.


I felt a bit lost on the turn - bet? c/c ?
When he minraise me I think he has lots of PP's that i beat, JT, KJ, AK, AQ, AJ, QJ, JJ, QQ. Maybe T9.
Those flop minraises just reek of bs to me.

if it reeks of bs, why does so much of the range you put him on above ^^ have you beat? i really hate dealing with minraisers unless i have managed to get a note on what kind of range they are doing it with. i honestly have no idea what his range could be here because its so villain-specific. given he's pretty tight though i'm thinking its more of a badly sized value-raise than a fishy raise-it-up-cos-me-flopped-a-pair raise. those (second) types of minraises are usually for the 54/10 guys.

[mbiz]

good point. the range i put him on was after the fact but at the time i just didnt believe him. this is why i posted the hand, because im not sure at how to deal with flop minraises.

I guess i felt it was bs because whenever im min raised but have a monster, they very rarely showdown. So while i put those cards in his range i figured it was weighted towards PPs and the SC's. But you're right i dont have minraise reads on him.

[rpm]

i'd take my analysis pretty lightly mind you. as i said, i struggle with ranges for unknown minraisers as well. but based on what little information we have on our opponent in this spot (taggy preflop stats), i'm guessing he doesn't have 44-88 or absolute air here very much.

[kmind]

Fold flop. I think he doesn't have a PP lower than a set and he doesn't have a pair worse than yours.

Edit: Ok call flop didn't notice it was minraise. But c/f now.

[rong]

I have a sneaking suspicion that you are behind here. I just don't see what he could have that you beat. I'd prob cc turn and try to get to a cheap showdown. But I'd be careful, as if his turn bet sizing looks like he's setting up for a river shove, which I wouldn't be calling, it may be better to get out sooner rather than later.

The only reason I'd say c/c rather than fold the flop is that there may well be some complete air in his range, and you may find he closes up now that his raise has been called.

[rong]

Just noticed the club on the turn. You now have 12 outs to the nuts, so I'd def c/c.

[sk8r_daniel]

Just noticed the club on the turn. You now have 12 outs to the nuts, so I'd def c/c.

Yeah... still only 3 clubs out there.

So on a Q we check call the turn, fold to river barrel?

[Donachello]

Just noticed the club on the turn. You now have 12 outs to the nuts, so I'd def c/c.

wat?

We'd need a little bit more info to make an actually informed decision here. Has she shown down any out of line hands? Doesn he minraise a lot of flops? Does he minraise the nuts? All that shit is pretty vital if you want to make a good decision here. If you think he is bluffing which is pretty unlikely for a 13/10 what is our plan for the rest of the hand? Are we willing to get it in or are we just hoping to folds to a second barrel?

I feel like a lot of the time he's got KJ or AJ here but I don't know the table dynamic. fwiw I think being a 13/10/3 he's very rarely got a large PP but this looks an awful lot like 2pair or KQ, JQ semi-bluffing. Check the turn.

[Hoopy]

Don't think you can include JJ,QQ or AK in his range since he'll 3 bet pre most of the time, also think a PP would be unlikely to do this with his stats.

His range might look something like {QT,KJ,AQ,AJ,AT,A9,A8,JT,T9,KT}, I'd probably call the min raise and c/f all non A turns because I think he might pot control with some weaker Ax hands by checking back (depends on how he views you), Queen would be a bad card as it would stop us getting value from hands like AJ and give Tx the nuts.

I don't think we should try to play a big pot here.

[rong]

doh! Thought you had AQs. Hung over, please ignore.

[sk8r_daniel]

On. a Q turn I think I call a 1/2 pot bet or less on the turn and c/f river unimproved to any normal bet.

[surviva316]

to those advocating folding the flop, you realize that this means we will fold all but 18 combos? also, he's repping like JJ and sometimes AK/AJ (wtf at some of the ranges that are being thrown out there, he doesn't have A9 and i wouldn't expect him to 3b JJ pre). and why would he min raise a set or a two pair on this board?

i call flop and c/f the turn. i'd obv fold flop if his raise were bigger

[Imthenewfish]

When I usually get into these situations they're flop raise represents a hand with some showdown strength and they're drawing. Q10, K10, AQ, A10, 1010 are hands I usually see when I get in these situations. AJ is possible sometimes.. Q or 10 on the turn could tell you where you're at. I'd probably c/f the turn