AKs 3 bet pot

[!Luck]

I really really don't like my flop bet. And I hate my turn shove.

My villain is 46/3 over 106 hands

After looking this over even though he is unlikely to have a set in this spot since he checked the turn, he open limped and cold called a 3 bet. All this means is that there is nothing in his range that I beat, unless he floated the flop with some weak underpair. I have zero fold equity against his range, except something weird like 22.

As much as I hate it, the best course of action is to check flop and go from there.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($24.65)
CO ($18.55)
Button ($25.10)
SB ($31.60)
BB ($25)
UTG ($20.65)
UTG+1 ($31.75)
MP1 ($27.65)
Hero (MP2) ($26.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, A
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.25, 5 folds, UTG calls $3, MP1 calls $2

Flop: ($10.10) 6, 5, 8 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG calls $3, 1 fold

Turn: ($16.10) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20.25 (All-In)

[Donachello]

wtf @ flop bet sizing. If you're betting bet like 6 or 6.75. Or better yet. Don't bet since you're only folding out AQ and maybe AK.

turn = lol his range hasn't changed one bit from the flop.
turn check here would be so omfg standard, just kinda scratching my head @ your line. Looks hella tilty to me. Happens to everyone.

PS. poker stove puts 3% (his PFR) as: 99+,AKs just for perspective.

[surviva316]

PS. poker stove puts 3% (his PFR) as: 99+,AKs just for perspective.

villain didn't PFR.

what are our reads on MP1?

regardless, i'm inclined to check back the flop and see a free card. SOMEONE has a pair, and since stacks only allow us to fire two barrels, we're not gonna get anyone off a pair (also, our absolute outs block our bluffing outs, so we're REALLY gonna have a hard time bluffing anyone off a pair).

i guess ghey betting the flop is our best option if we're gonna bet, so that we can have 3 barrels in case a Q hits or like the Th, but i just don't think there are enough bluffing outs.

[Gobbatino]

I don't mind flop bet/sizing so much but I check turn and hope to hit my flush.

[Donachello]

Whups, my bad, surviva is right.

Still, his range is basically all pairs or better at this point.

[Micro2Macro]

1. why are you betting the flop (value/bluff?)
2. after answering question 1 you will realize your mistake, but to extend on this, why did you choose this sizing
3. after he calls the flop what better hands do you expect him to fold/what worse hands do you expect him to call when you shove the turn?

[littleogre]

really hate the shove on the turn. If you make a habit of such a play it is super exploitable.

[littleogre]

oh and whats wrong with taking the free card?

[surviva316]

making a habit of double barrel shoving with 15 outs is arguably the least exploitable bad habit you can have in all of poker

[!Luck]

Clift notes:

No shoving with 15 out is not that bad. HOWEVER. In this case I have zero fold equity, or more importantly, I don't have near enough fold equity to make this play make sense.

!luck

Chants: Put your opponent on a range.. on a range range RANGE RANGE! y=mx + b... RANGE.
WUT WHAT WUT?

Thank your the replies, I will hopefully not waste any more of your time with my spews.

Thank you,
!luck

[Micro2Macro]

really hate the shove on the turn. If you make a habit of such a play it is super exploitable.

seems less exploitable actually, but not optimal, since we're adding bluffs to our range (which shouldn't have any in the first place) therefore getting us closer to GTO.

someone call me on this if i'm wrong

[littleogre]

making a habit of double barrel shoving with 15 outs is arguably the least exploitable bad habit you can have in all of poker

Making huge over bets is very exploitable.

[Micro2Macro]

Making huge over bets is very exploitable.

exploitable doesn't mean least profitable or unprofitable.

also, it seems as though you misunderstand the term exploitable since it is possible to have an unexploitable shoving range in a particular spot with your sizing being an overbet.

[littleogre]

Clift notes:

No shoving with 15 out is not that bad. HOWEVER. In this case I have zero fold equity, or more importantly, I don't have near enough fold equity to make this play make sense.

!luck

Chants: Put your opponent on a range.. on a range range RANGE RANGE! y=mx + b... RANGE.
WUT WHAT WUT?

Thank your the replies, I will hopefully not waste any more of your time with my spews.




Thank you,
!luck

I think you get the same fold equity by making a normal raise. I have no idea how often you are shoving as a semi bluff and how often you are shoving with the nuts. If you are doing it for meta game that's fine i guess but also beyond me. Not much meta game in the penny poker. When i say it's exploitable i mean that if your shoves are bluffs more often big hands a player can pick up on that.