OWNED 5nl - Totally owned at 10nl :(

[salami1212]

ok, well today i won basically $80 20 tabling 5nl.. didnt take that long. Got my bankroll from $120 to $200.. so i went on 10nl with $6 like i was doing with 5nl and i got totally owned. Im not sure whether i was playing bad or what but there was definitly some coolers. My KK got beat 3 times pre flop all in by aces.. on the flop my qq KK AA kept getting beat by sets and stacking me off.. How the **** do you beat 10nl.. I played exactly the same game as 5nl .. holdem manager is all fucked up so it wont let me use pokerstars with it so i cant give you stats.. Any tips? cheers

[ebouenolike]

coolers or bad play, hard to know without examples or stats to be honest, maybe you went to 10NL too early, perhaps you need more of a safety net to be able to get away from cooler spots, keep beating 5NL until you have more buyins and more confidence.

You want some cheese with that wine? Shit happens. You're not going to get any sympathy here, especially when you post no hands or no stats to back up your questions. How do you beat 10NL? ABC, positionally-aware TAGG poker.

[bjsaust]

1 days sample isnt really enough to go on. I'm not a big fan of 20 tabling at the micro's, I'd recommend learning to play poker instead of learning to play massive numbers of tables.

Calm down Nutty.

[salami1212]

ok.. well would someone be able to do me a favour? I can get all the hand histories but I have no programs to get the stats as my holdem manager doesnt work so could someone transfer the data onto their holdem manager? If not is there any other way to get my stats..Cheers

[r9453]

If not is there any other way to get my stats

Assuming you haven't already done so, you should take steps to get HEM working again. Could you maybe d/l the PT3 trial and use that to get your stats?

[Parasurama]

maybe you should try to figure out why your hold 'em manager doesn't work, have you downloaded the latest updates? They can be found here:

http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=11641.

Re: 10NL, idk you most likely were not owning 5NL and were not owned at 10NL. You hit some positive variance at 5NL and some negative variance at 10NL (and I'm not just talking about AIEV so HE stats won't help your case)

[salami1212]

cheers

ive went on there before and made a post but they say its my internet or computer so i dunno how to fix it.. really doin my head in as its necessary!

[salami1212]

ok.. ive been playing 10nl with much less tables (8) and i have been doing much better so i think it was the table amount.. ill let u all no how well i do

[Keith]

do you have your hand hsitories backed up?

what exactly dooesn't happen when HEM won't work ?
..does HEM start i.e you can access all the tabs etc.
is HEM not importing the hand histories ?
are you saving the HHs in stars client to hard disc.
Have you checked that your HEM import folder is pointed atthe HH folder.

[inV1NCEble]

yeah man, 20 tables is way to much imo

[salami1212]

well it was workin fine with titan poker but not with pokerstar,,, so i uninstalled it.. downloaded it again and the patch, but it wont let me unzip the file as it keeps having an error.. Also even when I get it installed the update which is needed for ps to work doesnt work as it has an error on startup.. Really annoying.. Cheers anyways

[Crusher10]

20 tabling can be done, ive seen guys do a up to 24, its kind of crazy ass fast tho.

[Keith]

delete the file you downloaded nd then download it again.what are you using to unzip the file?

[salami1212]

ye i deleted the file.. but its still saying exactly the same thing when i download it again.. I honestly havnt a clue

[PlayToWin]

ye i deleted the file.. but its still saying exactly the same thing when i download it again.. I honestly havnt a clue

Go to their web site. They probably have a users forum. Use Google to search for alternate download sites, possibly. Anyway, if you get it installed, read the FAQ for tips on getting it to work with PokerStars. Mine works fine on WinXP.

Also, I lost 6 BI's when I moved to 10NL. Not a big deal. I'll go back to 5NL and build back the roll if I can.

[bjsaust]

Post actual details of the problem and error messages in the Tools of Poker section and include a link to the post you made on their boards.

[spoonitnow]

ok, well today i won basically $80 20 tabling 5nl

If you're interested in making money in poker, then I suggest you stop doing that.

[salami1212]

ok, i stopped 20 tabling lol. My $200 had gone all the way down to 80. I then played 10nl tight and got up to 140. Then LAGged it up hardcore and am now on 250. So fully rolled for 10nl YAY! and found out that a good solid lag game is sooo much more profitable at 10nl then tag..

[JKDS]

ok, i stopped 20 tabling lol. My $200 had gone all the way down to 80. I then played 10nl tight and got up to 140. Then LAGged it up hardcore and am now on 250. So fully rolled for 10nl YAY! and found out that a good solid lag game is sooo much more profitable at 10nl then tag..

bankroll management

if i had a 2 word statement that was also a link explaining why lags die at fr id say that too.

[bjsaust]

I really wish you'd stop using tiny sample sizes to base your conclusions on.

[daven]

Then LAGged it up hardcore and am now on 250. So fully rolled for 10nl YAY! and found out that a good solid lag game is sooo much more profitable at 10nl then tag..

i doubt that you understand what a good solid lag game is

Try and describe your good solid lag game.

[salami1212]

lol.. i wont really explain it but its super agro and people were calling my all ins with top pair top kicker and i have 2 pair etc. Workin for me so im gonna keep doing it.

and whats a good br for lag at 10nl?

[Cougar]

ok, i stopped 20 tabling lol. My $200 had gone all the way down to 80. I then played 10nl tight and got up to 140. Then LAGged it up hardcore and am now on 250. So fully rolled for 10nl YAY! and found out that a good solid lag game is sooo much more profitable at 10nl then tag..

Challenge: Post long-term HUD statistics and win-rates that back this claim up

Hypothesis: My TAG statistics and win-rates at 10NL > OP LAG
(Prove this wrong)

Recommendation: Study FTR, Learn how to TAG and win long-term consistently

Bankroll Management Recommendation: 30 Buy-Ins for Current Level ($300 @10NL), drop to 5NL at 20 Buy-Ins ($200) and grind back up to $300 for another shot

[FateAver]

When I play more than 5 table in Poker Stars
sometimes I end up timed out in some tables
my screen best fit = 4 tables cannot play more than that

lol.. i wont really explain it but its super agro and people were calling my all ins with top pair top kicker and i have 2 pair etc.

umm top pair top kicker is probably OK to felt on a drawy board anyway so it's not like they're making huge mistakes because of your "super agro" play style

[Outlaw]

ok, well today i won basically $80 20 tabling 5nl.. didnt take that long. Got my bankroll from $120 to $200.. so i went on 10nl with $6 like i was doing with 5nl and i got totally owned. Im not sure whether i was playing bad or what but there was definitly some coolers. My KK got beat 3 times pre flop all in by aces.. on the flop my qq KK AA kept getting beat by sets and stacking me off.. How the **** do you beat 10nl.. I played exactly the same game as 5nl .. holdem manager is all fucked up so it wont let me use pokerstars with it so i cant give you stats.. Any tips? cheers

Stop 20 tabling for now. FPPs don't really kick into hyper drive until what, 50NL? So what's the point of playing so many.

Play 4 tables at most imo

Also, 10NL is definitely tougher than 5NL. But anyone who reads these forums can beat it for a decent clip over time if they apply themselves.

And it could just be variance.. read this post I made awhile back. It'll give you an idea of how bad (or good) variance can be. Yes, that's right people.. variance actually HELPS better players more and variance HURTS bad players more.

Remember, if it wasn't for luck.. we'd lose em all.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...st-t84399.html

[dejection08]

lol.. i wont really explain it but its super agro and people were calling my all ins with top pair top kicker and i have 2 pair etc. Workin for me so im gonna keep doing it.

and whats a good br for lag at 10nl?

The more Lag you are the Bigger the Br you need at each level. Standard is 40 BI Per level. a Lag player will have way more swings so maybe 50-60 Bi Per level.