couple 10c/20c HHs...

[Chopper]

these guys are super passive. one guy never raised me with a flopped set?? wtf?

one... i felt AX would take the pot with TP and i may hit a draw and get paid. for half a sb, its not a bad investment to make. however, i stab at the pot (a favorite play of mine when they let you limp and it comes with one paint and no draws.). i plan on being more or less done with the hand, but pick up the draw on the turn. lead again since most players will fold to two barrels if they dont have something AND i have a redraw if they call. and, i miss. so, i plan to c/f. however, i wish that diamond hit....although he would likely only have called instead of raise me (like he should with a flush when i've been leading into him). he flashed 56 of diamonds...lol. if i were him, i would raise the turn on my flush draw in hopes of keeping you from betting the river with your TP.....then, i bet the river when the diamond hits and check behind otherwise. again, i am controlling how much money goes in when behind. here, of course, i would get coolered if i hold the 56s hand and a diamond hits, but its rare.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, A
1 fold, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (3 SB) 5, J, 8 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls

Turn: (3 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls

River: (5 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Total pot: $1 (5 BB) | Rake: $0.04

two... suckout of the day.....BUT, the beauty of aggression. look at the pot i built while i was incorrectly thinking i may be ahead. it was nice to lay a beat on someone for a change. villain showed me a flopped set of tens! i called the 3bet because very little i beat 3bets me on that board. but, with the K for the straight, i can call down since there is a very small chance i will be ahead. however, i do bet the flush card because two pair will likely pay off my straight and the flush will likely raise me and tell me to fold.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, CO (poster) calls, BB calls

Flop: (12.5 SB) A, J, 10 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (9.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

River: (11.25 BB) Q (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls

Total pot: $3.05 (15.25 BB) | Rake: $0.14


three... was it you that asked why you bet when the flush draw is being chased?? saying it was correct for them to call, so it must be incorrect for you to bet since you are giving them odds? well, what happens when they chase, but dont hit? you MUST charge them to draw! after all, you are the best hand right now. the only hand i fear is some two pair hand like QJ. if i check, how much smaller is my pot?? oh, did i mention the pot was MINE?! if they want it, they have to earn it, which they dont when they just call along like weenies. i saw Ah2h call down (duh) and Q8o (donked the river). the river raise was for value, btw. QJ will 3bet likely, and i would make a crying call there. the other two pair combos shouldnt be in the hand because of the preflop raise. if this were a limped pot, i would have to give them more credit for being possible. and, therefore, i only call the river donk.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) 3, 7, J (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, 1 fold, UTG calls

River: (9.25 BB) 4 (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, UTG calls

Total pot: $2.96 (14.8 BB) | Rake: $0.14


four... you win some, you lose some. but, look at what they call along with! this is why you CHARGE THEM!! idiot showed K9o. who calls a pfr and flop bet with K9o here?? wow.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, A
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (8 SB) 7, A, J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Turn: (6 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls

River: (9 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Total pot: $2.20 (11 BB) | Rake: $0.10

five... i maybe should have called down on this one, but i felt i was beat often enough to avoid making it any more costly than it was already. yes, aces get beat. learn to get rid of them in rare instances. imo, this is a 9 or flush. and, i only have two outs to beat him with one card to come. bad spot. no way a K does this. maybe the Ad would try and semibluff this, but his AF was under a 1, so i doubt THIS opponent would try that.

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A, A
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB) 9, 9, K (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Turn: (3.75 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.15 (5.75 BB) | Rake: $0.05


15 minutes. 89 hands. up a quick 10 BBs after folding AA and getting sucked out on twice. these villains are passive. so, you need to avoid bluffing them w/o outs, get that marginal value out of TP hands, build big pots with big draws since they will pay off with much worse, and get used to the suckouts. you will see some awful beats by hands that had no business being in a pot. but, be glad those guys are here. its those guys that make these levels easier to beat. and, they train you for the next level by allowing you to start tight and loosen up as you get comfortable. if you started higher, you would need to be loose on the button and often times would have no idea where you stand with Q8s because you dont have a feel for your opponents' ranges and arent used to them c/r'ing you with 5 outs and Ahi.

10c/20c is a good training ground. 25c/50c doesnt change much. and 50c/1 is where the crazy aggression starts, imo.

[Raoni_Poker]

Nice examples there.
I'm posting three hands from my later session. The focus here is on aggressiveness (and when is the right moment to stop).

HAND 1: Here is when is too easy to be aggressive. Basically is just to jam the pot and get the money.

0.1/0.2 Limit Holdem
10 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($4.22)
UTG+1 ($0.70)
UTG+2 ($12.60)
MP1 ($4.76)
MP2 ($2.72)
MP3 ($9.22)
Hero (CO) ($6.80)
BTN ($7.06)
SB ($6.31)
BB ($4.85)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 10 players) Hero is CO
6 folds, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (7.5 SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN calls

Turn: (6.8 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

River: (8.8 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Final Pot: 10.7 BB
BTN shows:

Hero wins 10.2 BB ( won +5.2 BB )
BTN lost 5.0 BB


HAND 2: Here is about knowing when to stop being aggressive. I think I should have stop on the turn bet.

0.1/0.2 Limit Holdem
10 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($12.60)
UTG+1 ($4.76)
UTG+2 ($2.72)
MP1 ($9.47)
Hero (MP2) ($7.85)
MP3 ($6.06)
CO ($6.26)
BTN ($4.70)
SB ($4.12)
BB ($0.60)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 10 players) Hero is MP2
4 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.2 BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

River: (5.2 BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 6.3 BB
BB shows:

BB wins 5.9 BB ( won +2.9 BB )
Hero lost 3.0 BB

HAND 3: The focus here is how to adjust to ultra-loose-aggressive player. He was on my rigth yesterday and today...so I,ve noticed his wide range of raises (he raised with 75o from CO yesterday). So, I tried in the hand to play back at him knowing that he could not have anything. Its a crazy play and I lost one pot playing like that (on tilt)...but it worked fine this time. He was 41/23 over 71 hands.

0.1/0.2 Limit Holdem
10 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($3.90)
UTG+1 ($4.60)
UTG+2 ($13.00)
MP1 ($5.00)
MP2 ($3.42)
MP3 ($9.41)
Hero (CO) ($5.53)
BTN ($6.38)
SB ($6.61)
BB ($5.00)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 10 players) Hero is CO
5 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls, 3 folds

Flop: (5.5 SB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.8 BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.8 BB, 2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls

Final Pot: 9.8 BB
MP3 shows:

Hero wins 9.3 BB ( won +4.8 BB )
MP3 lost 4.5 BB




Knowing when to be aggressive and when to shut down the action is one of my biggest problems. I think I'm being too aggressive when I shoud not...and little aggressive when I should go for it.

Apart from a couple of lost pots, the session went nice (12BB in 105 hands).

[Chopper]

nice session. here are my comments on your hands...

hand one, what do you do when the btn raises you on the turn?? does it change your strategy if he is super aggressive? super passive?

hand two, i will mix this up. sometimes i 3barrel. sometimes i check the flop. sometimes i bet flop and check turn. you just never know. the flop cbet is pretty mandatory, though, i will only check if i have habitual stations in the hand with me. this is a spot too many micro players bluff. you are getting decent odds, but a micro station will call you down with a 2 here. so, there is little value in betting until you hit an A or K since you will be putting money in with no fold equity AND the station will likely just check behind allowing you to draw for free.

hand three, if he is that aggressive, 3bet him with AQ (for value) preflop. dont cold call his raise. send a message to the others that you want him one-on-one and to get the hell out of the pot.

bad flop to raise him. his range is wide!! he could have 2 clubs, a straight draw, both or two pair. just call him down. dont raise. (this is another leak of micro players.....they pick the wrong hands to stand up to the bully with.)

call down, dont bet that river for value...its not value, its a bluff because you are trying to get him to fold. usually, only better will call you here. this guy is a fool for calling your line with Ahi. but, whatevs....its better to be lucky than good. but, this hand was not the spot to stand up to him. just call him down and snap his bluffs. wait for a real hand to crush him with raises.

[Raoni_Poker]

hand one, what do you do when the btn raises you on the turn?? does it change your strategy if he is super aggressive? super passive?

I still have 10 outs with a set against an eventual flush, which gives me 3.6:1 (21.7%). If he raises me, I tend to call it and see the river. However, it could be a re-raise.

[Chopper]

aggressive villain??

passive villain???

imo, they are different answers.

[Raoni_Poker]

I’m sorry about that. Well, if the aggressor is a passive player I tend to call him and see the river. If the river card does not improve my game, I’ll would give him a crying call (in case he’s with a set of 5s (on the turn). Obviously, if the river card is also a 5, I would raise him (since he probably has a flush). If he reraises, he can have made a four-of-a-kind…but I would call him anyway.

If the raiser is an aggressive player, I could raise him if I’ve saw a previous bluff. The problem with aggressive players is that they CAN have something. Regardless of their holdings, they will reraise you very often (an ultra-aggressive player will). If I knew the guy is aggressive but his cards at showdown made good hands I would call him on the turn and call or raise the river (depending on the river card).

[Chopper]

right.

if he is aggressive, i will give him less credit for a hand that beats me since i know he will be willing to jam draws, with the Ac, as easily as an actual flush. he may also do this with 2pr thinking he is representing a flush and knowing players that dont have a club will just fold. he will probably still give me unlimited action when the board pairs the river since these guys dont always know when to slow down. therefore, i stand to make a lot more from him if the right river falls, and i can just call one bet when i miss...minimizing my losses when i am actually behind.

however, passive players dont usually screw around with you like this. they would, typically, only raise the flush here. they would chill with 2pr hands, and passively take a card for a lone club in their hands. therefore, i would call a raise from a passive player and hope the board pairs.

[Raoni_Poker]

The session today was not very good, but it could be worse. Tried to 3-table but when I do that my results are not good. In fact, I at one point my balance was -40BB, but somehow I ended with -11BB in 210 hands (when I closed one of the tables I recovered most of the money lost).

I'll post two hands...the focus here is knowing when to stop aggression (which usually I dont).

HAND 1: At this point I was in 3 tables, so I did not have time to reflect about the other guys check raise on the turn. I should have just called at that point, but it happened too quick for me and I lost a lot of money in this one. Playing in 3 tables is a good exercise for improving concentration...but I'm not doing it anymore for a while.

0.1/0.2 Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($5.83)
UTG+1 ($4.98)
MP1 ($4.68)
MP2 ($4.90)
CO ($1.65)
BTN ($7.50)
SB ($1.34)
Hero (BB) ($3.53)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 8 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (3.0 SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB calls

Turn: (3.0 BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB 4-bets, Hero calls

River: (11.0 BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls

Final Pot: 14.7 BB
SB shows:

SB wins 13.7 BB ( won +7.0 BB )
Hero wins 0.3 BB ( lost --6.7 BB )
MP2 lost 1.0 BB

HAND 2: This hand presents a different situation. I was hoping to get a free card on the river. The guy who reraised me was not that aggressive so I stopped rigth there. My guess...he had JJ, AJ, KJ. I think I could call here for one more bet but since I had lost some huge pots...I did not want to risk anymore.

0.1/0.2 Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($3.29)
UTG+1 ($6.16)
MP1 ($2.85)
MP2 ($1.90)
MP3 ($7.65)
CO ($1.51)
Hero (BTN) ($4.03)
SB ($6.18)
BB ($4.80)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 9 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises, 4 folds, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO calls

Flop: (10.5 SB, 3 players)
UTG bets, CO folds, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero folds

Final Pot: 7.8 BB

UTG wins 7.4 BB ( won +4.4 BB )
CO lost 1.5 BB
Hero lost 2.5 BB