Itt. SwineFlu

[mrhappy333]

End of the world?

[kingnat]

End of the world?

What would you do if you knew that is was the end of the world?

[BennyLaRue]

What is lost in all of this is how the pigs are feeling.

[bigred]

They have the flu, probably not that good.

[nibbles]

And it is always NYC too. I need to win the WSOP so I can get the hell outta here. Too many people. As long as I didn't die, a good plague wouldn't be that bad.

[BankItDrew]

I'd like to see statistical proof that this seasons version of the flu is worse than last.

[BennyLaRue]

They have the flu, probably not that good.

ldo

This is where the real story is, Fox News.

[BennyLaRue]

I'd like to see statistical proof that this seasons version of the flu is worse than last.

Just look at that face! It's all the proof you need.

[mrhappy333]

Its fucked up but I think a good plague would be good for the economy.
same thing, so long as no one I knew died.

[triumphant cracker]

thining of the herd......

[Ragnar4]

Mother Nature is bringing the wood, and we better get ready for some good old fashioned "Natural Selection".

Faith in god probably won't save you. Consistent use of Hand Sanitizer probably will.

[will641]

hasnt hand sanitizer been proven to not do shit?

[triumphant cracker]

hasnt hand sanitizer been proven to not do shit?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/health/21cons.html

[Ragnar4]

hasnt hand sanitizer been proven to not do shit?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/health/21cons.html

Looks to me, that as long as the alcohol content is high enough, and you use enough of the stuff. You're fine.

If it didn't, a good old fashioned soap and water washing also does the trick I hear.

[givememyleg]

wat is going on now?

[Luco]

They said on the news last night that the number of deaths outside of Mejico is considerably lower and the symptoms are a lot milder in confirmed cases. Maybe the Mejicans are just drama llamas, dying all over the place like that.

[WillburForce]

nothing to worry about. just go to the doctor and get some oinkment....

[Luco]

[GatorJH]

I have to go to NJ for the next few weeks.

More pissed that I have to go to NJ than worried about Swine Flu.

[a500lbgorilla]

I think it's more interesting that I knew nothing about this until the Daily Show told me to laugh at it. Is the daily show brainwashing me with humor?

[flomo]

so what if you die from swine flu, get over it

[frosst]

swine flu is the new bird flu, which was the new sars, which was the new......... get my point? you guys are retarded if you sit here and debate how evolution>religion and then start going OMGWURLDENDDZZZZZ just because a flu virus mutated/evolved. people die from the NORMAL everyday variety flu, and i'd say it's safe to say more than 150 do every year. don't feel like looking for numbers, besides i'm sure wuf will make an appearance shortly. quite letting news agencies control your fear level

[d0zer]

From what I can tell this is just a normal fucking flu with a whole bunch of media hype attached. Since when do we panic about the flu? When we attach the word "bird" or "swine" to it

[will641]

frosst i think people are scared because theyre worried about another influenza of 1919 where like 40 million died.

[Ragnar4]

There was a 1940's swine flu that came at us in 3 waves. Wave one made a bunch of people sick, it mutated and went back to the pigs where it mutated again.

wave 2 had a kill rate that was on par with some of our most lethal diseases ever known, luckily it was so lethal, and so quick that it didn't have time to spread and get around before people realized someone was sick. It was too efficient to wipe us out.

Wave # 3 was less deadly for some reason but had a longer incubation time, and way more infectious. The problem was that it was attacking an already weakened population.

We flat out got our butts kicked by the 2nd to last swine flu outbreak the US had.

The last swine flu we had before this one caused a national emergency, but it just made a few people sorta sick for a while. (1970's)

[GatorJH]

Did you guys not read my post? I have to go to JERSEY next week. ALL WEEK!!! JERSEY FFS!!!!

Forget all this swine flu shit. JERSEY!!! FOR A WHOLE WEEK!!!!

[frosst]

frosst i think people are scared because theyre worried about another influenza of 1919 where like 40 million died.

living conditions here are a little different now than they were then ldo. i can see a serious outbreak occurring in developing countries, but i seriously doubt we're going to have a massive dustin hoffman has to save us outbreak

[bigred]

[wufwugy]

swine flu is the new bird flu, which was the new sars, which was the new......... get my point? you guys are retarded if you sit here and debate how evolution>religion and then start going OMGWURLDENDDZZZZZ just because a flu virus mutated/evolved. people die from the NORMAL everyday variety flu, and i'd say it's safe to say more than 150 do every year. don't feel like looking for numbers, besides i'm sure wuf will make an appearance shortly. quite letting news agencies control your fear level

I wasn't gonna post anything but omg numbers you want huh?

From memory, as of last night, 40 something confirmed cases in approximately 5 US states, only 1 required hospitalization, 100% have recovered, approximately 50 million doses of tamiflu in US reserves and it has been shown to positively affect this flu, approx 150 deaths in Mexico, a few cases found in other places like Canada and Europe, nearly all cases have been from people who recently visited Mexico, at least one but possibly only one group of cases where contamination has been domestic

The reality is that the stronger the preventative response the less likely it becomes a full blown pandemic. At this point there are only three problems 1) it could spread, but pretty much all of the response has been focused on keeping that from happening. 2) it could mutate, but it hasn't, and 3) we don't know how fatal it is exactly because we don't know what percentage of Mexico has it. If only 200 Mexicans have gotten it then the kill rate is super high and it's a super scary flu, but if 200k have gotten it then its super weak.

It's been shown to not be fatal under modern medication, but it is still a big problem if it gets across borders into poor countries


Cliff notes: Not a mega virus and not something to be worried about if you live in developed nation

[Ash256]

A couple of things to note gentlemen:-

1) It's not a new bird flu. The whole bird flu scare was the worry that it'd become transmissible between humans, rather than just birds -> humans. Swine flu has already made that mutation.

2) Cytokine storms are a possibility with this, keep an eye out for that term emerging and adjust accordingly.

3) As the incubation period is 3-4 days, it may be more widespread than we think.




As a sidenote, I'm confused as to why it's only killing people in Mexico, especially if it kills through cytokine storms - it's not as if GDP kills viruses

[wufwugy]

As a sidenote, I'm confused as to why it's only killing people in Mexico, especially if it kills through cytokine storms - it's not as if GDP kills viruses

its the free market and tax cuts yo

cures everything

[Jack Sawyer]

swine flu is the new bird flu, which was the new sars, which was the new......... get my point? you guys are retarded if you sit here and debate how evolution>religion and then start going OMGWURLDENDDZZZZZ just because a flu virus mutated/evolved. people die from the NORMAL everyday variety flu, and i'd say it's safe to say more than 150 do every year. don't feel like looking for numbers, besides i'm sure wuf will make an appearance shortly. quite letting news agencies control your fear level

Aaaah, yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

anywhere between 25 to 100 mizzles of people dead and gone due to this

that said, the fear in the current situation is probably the fear of the unknown, which as we already know is fairly high in the population as a whole.

[Stacks]

Anyone know when the next plane to Valhalla Sector leaves?

[will641]

frosst i think people are scared because theyre worried about another influenza of 1919 where like 40 million died.

living conditions here are a little different now than they were then ldo. i can see a serious outbreak occurring in developing countries, but i seriously doubt we're going to have a massive dustin hoffman has to save us outbreak

yeah except AFAIK, there is no vaccination for it.

[kingnat]

I sprinkled myself with baby jesus dust, so I'm pretty sure I'm going to be ok.

[GatorJH]

Going to a party where there is literally ONLY fat chicks

dranger's gonna die.

[mrhappy333]

Level 5 on the W.H.O. list. out of 6
maybe its time to take your Vitamins!

[UG]

All businesses and non-essential government offices in Mexico are being ordered to close from May 1-5. All schools are already closed. Closed on Cinco de Mayo, doesn't that show how big of a deal this is?

Just today, Texas shut down all athletics and after school activities in the entire state until May 11.


I think shit's going to hit the fan here in the United States within the next 7-10 days, if not sooner. I hope I'm wrong.

[wufwugy]

Depends on what you mean by shit hitting fan.

If the virus does not mutate, with current knowledge, the worse case scenario is like nationwide shutdown and 2%ish deaths of those infected. We have a ton of tamiflu and it helps. The young with more robust immune systems are more affected.

First death reported today in Texas, two year old child. It has been expected that there will be several US deaths before it's over though.

Shutdown will be very bad for the economy, though, but I reiterate that this looks like it will not be omgawful unless it mutates, people will die though, unfortunately

[UG]

Yeah, I'm not saying that this is going to be a global killer or anything like that, bud I'd say shutting down the economy for a few days/weeks would be shit hitting the fan (if it gets that far). Hopefully it doesn't get to that point or go beyond it.

There has been nothing mentioned about shutting down schools that I've read (EDIT -- about 100 schools around the country have been closed), but the simple fact that they've shut down all sports in the state of Texas (and after-school activities) would lead me to believe that we might be at the tip of the iceberg. Again, the iceberg may not be that big, but things could get a little hairy over the next few weeks.

It'll be interesting.


Also, as someone that goes out of the way to read non mainstream media stuff and a bit of a "conspiracy theory" buff (I hate that term, but can't think of anything better), I'm eating this story up.

[flomo]

UG sig is still the coolest

[meeloche]

I know somebody who has it here. I think he's getting over it now and should be fine. He said it was like the worst case of food poisoning imaginable that lasted 4 days.

[wufwugy]

Also, as someone that goes out of the way to read non mainstream media stuff and a bit of a "conspiracy theory" buff (I hate that term, but can't think of anything better), I'm eating this story up.

Conspiracy theories, huh?

Glenn Beck thinks the swine flue outbreak is an Obama/Democrat conspiracy, and Michael Savage thinks it's an al Qaeda attack

[Parasurama]

Earlier this year we had an outbreak of norovirus at my school, they gave us all copious amounts of hand sanitizer. I remember thinking what if we used so much hand sanitizer that we caused a bacteria or virus resistant to it to be selected for.

[b-rabbit]

i love pig so much. i eat pig as much as possible. seriously. if i die from eating the pig. i will haunt the shit out of all of you, especially non-pig eating homo vegans who can suck it. fact - ghosts. double fact - ghosts of pig related deaths haunt the shit out of everyone

[bigspenda73]

http://www.friv.com/x/sneeze/game.html

[bigspenda73]

they just sent 80,000 students home here in Dallas

[kingnat]

My 2 y.o. son just took a huge poop in his pants.. I'm not really sure what death from swine flu smells like, but I'd gladly wrap my arms around it if it means I never again have to smell the living hell that is emitted from that insane little bastard.

[GatorJH]

kignat wins this thread. I lol'd so hard at that.

[UG]

they just sent 80,000 students home here in Dallas

Awesome. It's going to keep spreading, and lucky for me I'm right along the I-35 corridor that connects Mexico/Dallas/Kansas City/etc, and we have a higher than average Mexican population, so there's a good chance this could impact me before too long.

The mainstream media, for the time being, is under-reporting this issue. I've read in some places that we should already be at "Level 6" as far as pandemics go, and that it's 10-25 times worse than what's being reported. I'm not saying the sky is falling or anything, but this is going to be a bigger story in the following days and weeks. It's probably a *good* thing that it's being under-reported (if that's the case), as a widespread panic could ensue and that wouldn't be good.

Just a side note, the Kentucky Derby could make this an even bigger issue, from what I've read and/or been told. Lots of the horses are brought up from Mexico (including trainers/handlers/jockeys/etc). Lots of people will be going to the race via planes. It could be a time bomb waiting to happen, I guess we'll find out later next week. It'll be interesting if the economy, schools, and non-essential government offices will have to be shut down because of this...


P.S. Kingnat wins at teh funny.

[WildBobAA]

Here's a map where you can see all the cases. It looks like Michigan is f*cked.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...1&source=embed

[frosst]

man i was thinking about going to the derby, as it is an awesome partyfest, from what i hear.........you guys are missing the upside of all this, everybody being at home means more fish playing poker!!! GOGOGOGO

[Ash256]

http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

watch out for madagascar

[Monty3038]

All businesses and non-essential government offices in Mexico are being ordered to close from May 1-5. All schools are already closed. Closed on Cinco de Mayo, doesn't that show how big of a deal this is?
.

How many Mexicans do you think are still going out to party on Cinco De Mayo... regardless... you can't keep a good drinking holiday down!

[frosst]

ron paul on swine flu

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...Swine-Flu.html

[JL]

Why are airline companies canceling flights to places like Cancun and Puerto Vallarta which are thousands of miles away from Mexico City?

[will641]

shit ass. theres a lot in san antonio...only a matter of time before it reaches austin!!!

[BennyLaRue]

Why are airline companies canceling flights to places like Cancun and Puerto Vallarta which are thousands of miles away from Mexico City?

Stigma.

Besides, these are MexiCANs we're talking about, not MexiCAN'Ts. They'll find a way to spread that pig flu.

[nightmoves44]

Back in March 09 there was some kind of flu-bug around here,headaches-sore throat-upset stomach...ect...im wondering if this swine flu was already here and they are just now finding out.???..Im in WV,btw

[wufwugy]

Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. Ignoring facts like each year in US 36k people die of standard influenza. I can't believe I donated to his presidential campaign. Well, actually, I can believe it since I was a political noob and had much to learn, and when humans are not well researched on issues they do stupid shit involving those issues

Also, UG, level 6 basically means "we're fucked". The WHO bringing us up to level 4 two days ago, and level 5 yesterday has more to do with preventing a pandemic from happening, not ceasing a pandemic in process. I suspect it would have to get a bit worse before it could be level 6, and I doubt this virus could (in US at least) due to the relatively low death rate, but I really have little clue what the WHO considers high death rate WRT pandemics.

Also, authorities have known for the last 48 hours at least that quarantining the virus would not work.

Also of interest, Egypt has slaughtered all 300k of the pigs in their country. The WHO is now ceasing use of the label 'swine flu' since it misleads the uninformed to thinking that pork products can have something to do with the virus. And Mexico looks to have had at least 24 hours of stability, which is a very positive sign that with the current approach this will not become a pandemic.

Honestly, I'm pleased at how well the world has been handling this health crisis. It's a testament to how well governmental and international organizations can work when not bogged down by politics.

[wufwugy]

A few posts from a science board about this virus' possible mutation into something devastating

Would it be possible for the http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian...e_09_03_23.pdf H5N1 virus to make the jump to human to human transmission with the arrival of the http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html H1N1 virus? Would it be possible for H5N1 to "piggyback" onto H1N1 if they were to contact one another?

Sorry, not a scientist but would that be possible?

A scenario where both virus were to come together and create a newer more lethal strain is called antigenic shift

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigenic_shift

Say for example a strain of H1N1 and H5N1 were to infect an organism at the same time (eg pig, human). It is possible that an antigenic shift could occur. In the pig, they have sialic acid (SA) receptor alpha 2,3 (for avian influenza virus) and alpha 2,6 (for human influenza virus) in 1:1 ratio so it makes them a very good mixing pot for the virus

Well, I for one am really starting to freak out over this because it has very real potential to turn into something never before seen.

I think the real reason the WHO is expressing concern is because once this thing hits Asia and it happens to infect someone who also has H5N1, it could turn into a worst case scenario. H5N1 by itself is not that bad because it lacks a good transmission method, but once H1N1 mixes with the recombination sites of H5N1, something really really bad could be produced (H5N1 has about a 50% mortality rate).

H5N1 has been shown to evolve through recombination with other influenza strains:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/10270602/H5N1_Recombination_Excluded.html"]http://www.recombinomics.com/News/10270602/H5N1_Recombination_Excluded.html

From H5N1 wiki page:

H3N2 ("swine flu") is endemic in pigs in China, and has been detected in pigs in Vietnam, increasing fears of the emergence of new variant strains. The dominant strain of annual flu virus in January 2006 was H3N2, which is now resistant to the standard antiviral drugs amantadine and rimantadine. The possibility of H5N1 and H3N2 exchanging genes through reassortment is a major concern. If a reassortment in H5N1 occurs, it might remain an H5N1 subtype, or it could shift subtypes, as H2N2 did when it evolved into the Hong Kong Flu strain of H3N2.

I am not an expert in this field, but wouldn't the fact that the current H1N1 outbreak contains parts of the avian flu, wouldn't it make recombination with H5N1 that much more likely?

[a500lbgorilla]

i slept with this chick that was a real hog and now my low down ho-down has been itching something fierce. am i gonna die from the swine flu?

[kingnat]

I still fail to comprehend why any should "freak out" or even be concerned... what are you going to do if it was REALLY bad and there was a 4% or 50% chance that you might die... I just don't see the fascination.

[UG]

I still fail to comprehend why any should "freak out" or even be concerned... what are you going to do if it was REALLY bad and there was a 4% or 50% chance that you might die... I just don't see the fascination.

LOL, this could lead to the shutting down of key parts of our society's infrastructure (businesses, schools, types of travel, etc), and you don't find that the least bit fascinating?

The chances of that happening in this country are slim. Still, isn't it fun to play the "what if?" game sometimes?

[OP]

i slept with this chick that was a real hog and now my low down ho-down has been itching something fierce. am i gonna die from the swine flu?

No. That's just AIDS. Youre ok!

[meeloche]

Why are airline companies canceling flights to places like Cancun and Puerto Vallarta which are thousands of miles away from Mexico City?

The guy that I know who has it came back from a vacation from cancun. It's not just in mexico city anymore.

[Stacks]

Whew... Good thing I'm a professional internet poker player and never leave the house!

[mcatdog]

I had a pork sandwich at my favorite Mexican restaurant today.

[b-rabbit]

lol at rilla saying he got laid.

[a500lbgorilla]

make sure your mom gets checked, man. I think im ok but better safe than sorry.

[WillburForce]

[WillburForce]

[BennyLaRue]

I had a pork sandwich at my favorite Mexican restaurant today.

It's not like you get it from eating pork. Crazy Egyptian.

[GatorJH]

I accidentally my swine. Is that bad?

[Ash256]

Also, UG, level 6 basically means "we're fucked". The WHO bringing us up to level 4 two days ago, and level 5 yesterday has more to do with preventing a pandemic from happening, not ceasing a pandemic in process. I suspect it would have to get a bit worse before it could be level 6, and I doubt this virus could (in US at least) due to the relatively low death rate, but I really have little clue what the WHO considers high death rate WRT pandemics.

AFAIK the levels are to do with transmission and are independent of death rates, level 6 meaning that it's super-transmissible and is kicking off pretty much worldwide..

Also of interest, Egypt has slaughtered all 300k of the pigs in their country. The WHO is now ceasing use of the label 'swine flu' since it misleads the uninformed to thinking that pork products can have something to do with the virus. And Mexico looks to have had at least 24 hours of stability, which is a very positive sign that with the current approach this will not become a pandemic.

Hybrid flu is an awesome, albeit scary name

Honestly, I'm pleased at how well the world has been handling this health crisis. It's a testament to how well governmental and international organizations can work when not bogged down by politics.

Same, it also makes me happy to be living in a modern western country where science is valued over superstition..



also that possible mutation is shitscary.. viruses are fucking cool though