50nl overpair and oesd

[yourfather]

No reads. Thoughts on what to do here?


Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (CO): $141.85
BTN: $58.05
SB: $51.50
BB: $100.20
UTG: $44.80
MP: $50

Pre-Flop: 7 7 dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $1.50, MP folds, Hero calls $1.50, BTN folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds

Flop: ($5) 6 5 4 (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $12, UTG folds, Hero?

[kettleofish]

meh i dunno, call or fold i guess. I wouldn't raise here ever without a read. Calling kinda turns our hand up tho, so i think fold?

Feels really nitty writing that down

[minSim]

I call because implied odds are sufficient enough, imo. Especially IP, but probably also OOP.

[ATOTHEC101]

Always call without reads.

[Da GOAT]

its not terrible to check flop here

[kmind]

Yeah I'd check flop here for sure. So much of other people's ranges are continuing that I wouldn't want to bet here. I mean is it for value?

[minSim]

Yeah I'd check flop here for sure. So much of other people's ranges are continuing that I wouldn't want to bet here. I mean is it for value?

I would bet for sure. It's for value (mostly protection I guess, and some balance as I would bluff it too).

UTG gave up his hand and it's still unlikely SB has hit anything, so you usually get 2 folds. I don't like the idea of giving a free card to 2 players that have overs a lot, and won't bluff the turn much if they don't hit.

And once in a while you'll get c/red by SB and you can call. Once in a while you get a c/c from SB as well.

[Da GOAT]

I could check here and let a card peel, it sucks to get cr'd here totally. all turn cards suck balls anyhow and i dont wanna be barrelling.

[frosst]

ez call. if he has a set, then he'll stack if you hit. if he's bluffing, he probably won't barrel the turn.

[Da GOAT]

at these stakes your not gonna get cr bluffed, ppl rather fold or call even if they think your FOS here. So why not just take a free one. I would bet my hand if i had less equity.

[zook]

Repeating other advice, check back flop (what worse hands are calling this bet and what better hands are folding?) and flat the c/r because you have some implied odds vs. a set.

[minSim]

Repeating other advice, check back flop (what worse hands are calling this bet and what better hands are folding?) and flat the c/r because you have some implied odds vs. a set.

Worse hands that are calling imo; 33, 67s, 68s, 57s, A7s. A3s.

Zook, I don't get it;
Why aren't we betting for 'protection' against overcards (basically buying villains equity shares in the pot)?
I agree this alone is often not a good reason, but I imagine the more opponents there are in the pot, the more important it becomes.

It's not like we get c/red here very often, and even if we check and improve we're not gonna win a huge pot.

[al yell]

shove

[zook]

Repeating other advice, check back flop (what worse hands are calling this bet and what better hands are folding?) and flat the c/r because you have some implied odds vs. a set.

Worse hands that are calling imo; 33, 67s, 68s, 57s, A7s. A3s.

Zook, I don't get it;
Why aren't we betting for 'protection' against overcards (basically buying villains equity shares in the pot)?
I agree this alone is often not a good reason, but I imagine the more opponents there are in the pot, the more important it becomes.

It's not like we get c/red here very often, and even if we check and improve we're not gonna win a huge pot.

First, that's not many hands. Second, calls with 33, 68s and A3s are pretty terrible on this board. Third, I think we get c/r'ed a lot more often than we get flat-called on this board.

I do think there's an argument for betting for protection but since you're not happy getting AI, you're not that happy calling a c/r and you're almost never getting flat-called by worse (imo) I'd rather check behind.

[griffey24]

Repeating other advice, check back flop (what worse hands are calling this bet and what better hands are folding?) and flat the c/r because you have some implied odds vs. a set.

Hmmm.... I feel like I'm betting here 100% of the time.

If this was heads-up I'd be much more inclined to check, but I'd rather not give two people free cards here. I also wouldn't be surprised if SB leads a strong hand some of the time here, given how coordinated the board is.

I think SB might also call us light in this spot, because its checked around to us and we're betting such a wide range, that he might not believe us.

As played, I call the c/r.

[Galapogos]

I fold. You're pretty much never good as is, and are hoping to hit the most obvious straight ever vs a set. Or if he already has the straight, you're drawing to split. You basically have no implied odds.

I could go either way on the flop bet. Readless I think I bet here every time, not saying that's necessarily correct tho, it's just what I do.