100NL Marginal River Spot

[al yell]

Villain is 48/7/2/74
call or shove River?

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed)

MP ($106.64)
Hero (CO) ($101.48)
Button ($96.50)
SB ($230.43)
UTG ($27.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
MP raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, MP calls $4

Flop: ($13.50) 6, Q, J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $12.50, MP calls $12.50

Turn: ($38.50) 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $33.50, MP calls $33.50

River: ($105.50) 5 (2 players)
MP bets $16, Hero ...

[Genitruc]

seems v v v close to me

I think I shove, but I like variance

[Squeaky_Midget1]

Even with his donk stats how often is he calling a shove with less than a flush or 2 pair? I think I just call unless I know he is incapable of folding AQ/KQ here

[griffey24]

Meh.. I flat. I can't see him calling a shove that light here really.

[bigspenda73]

I call cuz I'm the world's biggest pessimist (but also the world's biggest station)

[Genitruc]

i think my advice in spots like this is influenced a lot by my numerous experiences trying to get donks to fold AJ or KQ type hands

they don t

[Squeaky_Midget1]

On second thought, Gen might be right, in this spot hes got like 3/4 of his stack in the pot, AQ/AJ will probably pay you off. And he might be using the blocker bet to say please dont bluff me off the best hand. If y'all were both deep, calling is definately better.

[griffey24]

I mean this entirely depends on villain really. Given stats provided, jamming here is probably ok given what gen said.

If some reg pulls this nonsense on you they could definitely be fake-blocking or something, trying to induce your raise.

[will641]

it seems like we are just ahead too often to not shove. plus hes a donk, and we dont have that much left over anyways. its <3x raise, and i dont think hes folding a good pair.

[will641]

I mean this entirely depends on villain really. Given stats provided, jamming here is probably ok given what gen said.

If some reg pulls this nonsense on you they could definitely be fake-blocking or something, trying to induce your raise.

would you expect a reg to take this line with like any hand ever?

[bigspenda73]

combo-jam?

[Alexos]

meh, I call
hard to put him on a hand but dont think theres much value in a raise

[Galapogos]

I shove, because like Genitruc said, they never fold like AJ here when I'm bluffing. We don't have much left behind. Calling's not bad though.

[griffey24]

This is all reads!

There are some players with those stats that are just mega whale stations, and I insta jam river.

There are other weakish donks who are just bad and play scared and will always b/f when they make a small river bet like this.

There are other donks who are afraid with their two pair/straight hand on this board (which I wouldn't be surprised to see) and are tryin to get in cheap but will call a jam anyhow. I think this is the most likely scenario really.

I think this is more often the second two scenario's than the first, so that diminishes a lot of the value in our raise.

[al yell]

thx for the feedback.

[griffey24]

thx for the feedback.

and for the results oriented.....?

[al yell]

thx for the feedback.

and for the results oriented.....?

not sure i should encourage such behavior! however, I just called and was shown T9o (no hearts). I guess the question is now, does he fold a straight?

[Genitruc]

thx for the feedback.

and for the results oriented.....?

not sure i should encourage such behavior! however, I just called and was shown T9o (no hearts). I guess the question is now, does he fold a straight?

not in a hundred billion years even if you were 300000bb's deep. god sometimes the way people play poker is truly mind-blowing. seriously HOW THE FUCK DOES HE HAVE 9T no HEART

[BigPapi]

thx for the feedback.

and for the results oriented.....?

not sure i should encourage such behavior! however, I just called and was shown T9o (no hearts). I guess the question is now, does he fold a straight?

not in a hundred billion years even if you were 300000bb's deep. god sometimes the way people play poker is truly mind-blowing. seriously HOW THE FUCK DOES HE HAVE 9T no HEART

Villain is 48/7/2/74

OMG OESD! I callll.

[Alexos]

im surprised you guys are surprised that he can have T9 no heart

I mean, he can have anything here, including 79, 47, 58, Q6, J8, 2h3h whothefuck knows thats what donks do

and no he doesnt fold shit here, but I probably need a solid 2pair like Q8 or something to shove, even then pretty thin but okay.

[griffey24]

There are other donks who are afraid with their two pair/straight hand on this board (which I wouldn't be surprised to see) and are tryin to get in cheap but will call a jam anyhow. I think this is the most likely scenario really.

I agree with this..... he must be some high stakes balla

9To obviously!!

[Genitruc]

ya obv there's nothing truly surprising coming from brutal donk-villain like this but, for some reason, just reading a HH like this puts me on huge tilt

[nutsinho]

so you considered jamming the river for value with a pair but now you wonder if maybe villain would fold a straight?

sigh

[Genitruc]

i don t think OP ever considered jamming riv but posted the hand after I told him I didn't think jamming was bad for value

[jackvance]

im surprised you guys are surprised that he can have T9 no heart

I mean, he can have anything here, including 79, 47, 58, Q6, J8, 2h3h whothefuck knows thats what donks do

Hm all of that fits in his 7% raising range?..

[Genitruc]

hehe jackvance wins

[Grinder4Life]

I'd call.

When donks do weird stuffs, they usually have it.

[Alexos]

im surprised you guys are surprised that he can have T9 no heart

I mean, he can have anything here, including 79, 47, 58, Q6, J8, 2h3h whothefuck knows thats what donks do

Hm all of that fits in his 7% raising range?..

lol reading hh's correctly.. the point is donks never surprise me anymore

and i still call river regardlesss

[Fnord]

Hm all of that fits in his 7% raising range?..

You should see all the shit I see at showdown from guys playing 20/14 and tighter.