Who said it was light on HH's ?

[minSim]

hand 1
Villain is playing 23/17/3.2 over 1.8k datamined hands. I have no reads on him. His preflop call perc was 13. I don't think worse aces are in his range.
I'd just like some verification on my line.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($52.55)
BB ($50)
Hero (UTG) ($50)
MP ($55.85)
Button ($66.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, A
Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) A, 6, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

River: ($22.75) K (2 players)
Hero checks


hand 2
Villain was 37/18/1.4 over 82 hands, ftcbet 64%. No reads.
The turn card sucks of course, but I don't really wanna c/f so barreling still seemed the best option to me, is that thinking right? How about betsizing?
What's a good river plan?

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BB ($25)
UTG ($68.25)
MP ($77.15)
Hero (CO) ($52.40)
Button ($59.95)
SB ($80.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.50) 3, Q, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, Button calls $4.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($15.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $9


hand 3
Villain is 17/11/2.7 over 7.8k datamined hands. Ftcbet 68%.
My question is about the same as the second hand. I have a decent hand with decent equity, and likely some FE. So I don't really want to c/f, so I b/f. Is that thinking right, in general?
Again I did this without a river plan. After these two hands, triple barreling seems an option in both, is it ? Any comments on specific river cards?

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Button ($67.30)
Hero (SB) ($50.25)
BB ($51.45)
UTG ($50)
MP ($59.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) 4, 3, K (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($10) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $7

[al yell]

(noob observations here, but for what it's woth...)

hand 1: I have a few thoughts about this
a) your repping a strong hand with your UTG raise so maybe better to cbet this flop and fold to aggression. You avoid playing the guessing game.
b) conversely, betting this flop could fold out worse hands so stringing him along is not bad either. That K on the river is a great spot to bluff. As played, if he bet I'd pop him up big to push him off AQ, AJ. There is no reason for him to have a K and every reason for you to have one.

[bjsaust]

Hand 1: I probably c-bet this flop and let him call with some PPs or somewhat, but this seems fine too. Reads help, but most TAGs will bet at weakness on a board like this so no issues.

Hand 2: Yes, I like this.

Hand 3: These ones confuse me too. Flop is so dry. I probably b/f it, because I wont be able to c/c it.

[kmind]

1. cbet
2. yes
3. yes

[BigLRIP]

1. cbet
2. yes
3. yes

[mixchange]

H1:

fine (though I prefer a cbet), but as played you are c/fing the river as 6's are easily in button's wide range..

H2 & H3 are fine, and if called on 3 we have outs and he folds a lot in this spot

[BigLRIP]

Might aswell try to be more insightful...

1) If you do this obviously you have to call the river as well. This line is fine once in a while, but I wouldn't use it too often. I'd imagine that you are betting this flop with close to 100% of your range so I think you should with this hand too.

2) I like betting again a little more, like $12. For the river I think I would bet all aces and spades and probably kings too, and try to check a 7 down.

3) Yup I like it. I think I would give up on the river if I didn't hit any of my outs though (i.e. bet if a J or A falls, if a Q comes check and see, otherwise c/f)

[JL]

1) I think you are wrong to assume that there are no worse aces in his range. A preflop call % of 13 is kinda high for a taggy player isn't it? Because he is on the button, I think he could easily have A2s-A9s here.

As for the hand, I think your line is very exploitable if done too often.
Your hand looks like a weak Ace or a PP. If a good player sees you do this, he can bet, bet, shove river with air and expect you to fold a ton.
However, it's not a bad line against a very aggro player, who double/triple barrels too often.

2) Bet more on the turn if you are going to bet at all.

3) I like this because even nitty players are going to float you lighter when it's BvB. The T is a great card because now you have 4 more outs and villain will fold 55-99.

[minSim]

Results and some follow up thoughts and Q's;

1) I folded river after villain bet 24$.
I think he had me beat too often. I kinda dislike my line, I'm just hoping I'm not resultsoriented.
I like BigLRIP's reasoning (and others too) that I'm probably cbetting so much here that I might as well cbet this one.
Checking behind IP seems better than OOP; it leaves 2 streets left instead of 3.

2) Villain called, the river blanked and villain checked behind with QJ.
People advised to bet more (if bet). I don't really get that reasoning; the board is pretty dry and I doubt betting larger has more FE. I don't think I'd bet that much more if I had i.e. AQ. Should I?
Or is it to set up a better stack-pot-ratio for the river?

3) Villain called, river bricked, I c/f to villains river bet.
I think my play is good here against most, not much more to say I guess.

[mcatdog]

1) I folded river after villain bet 24$.
I think he had me beat too often. I kinda dislike my line, I'm just hoping I'm not resultsoriented.
I like BigLRIP's reasoning (and others too) that I'm probably cbetting so much here that I might as well cbet this one.

Well I think this reasoning is pretty bad, the whole reason cbetting this flop with air is so good is because people usually don't play back without at least an ace, so why cbet an ace with a weak kicker when you're behind the range of hands that play back at you?

2) Villain called, the river blanked and villain checked behind with QJ.
People advised to bet more (if bet). I don't really get that reasoning; the board is pretty dry and I doubt betting larger has more FE. I don't think I'd bet that much more if I had i.e. AQ. Should I?

Yes. If you bet bigger with both semi-bluffs and made hands then you can get away with semi-bluffing more often, make yourself tough to play against. Bluff that river next time!

Hand 3 is fine, your turn bet folds out all sorts of mid pairs but when he calls two he's usually got a king that isn't folding.

[bigspenda73]

everyone just blindly saying cbet in hand 1 should rethink their poker game

[Ash256]

everyone just blindly saying cbet in hand 1 should rethink their poker game

I see your reasoning, but I was thinking bet flop, evaluate w/ preference towards checking on turn - pretty much all reasonably aggressive players will take a pop if we check here, which instaputs us into a scummy spot.

thoughts?

[bigspenda73]

why is it scummy

we've manipulated their hand range (you just said theyll take a pop) to include much weaker hands had we bet.

If we bet and get called, then we're in a scummy spot and probably should be c/f'ing the turn.

[mixchange]

Bet flop check turn is generally my preferred line in Hand 1.

But let's think about gameflow:

1) Have we recently been pushed out of pots we cbet, only to fold the turn? If so, I'm more likely to cbet pots that hit me as most villains think I'm cbetting too much or FoS.
2) Raising more in the last few rounds more than usual, especially in CO/BTN? If so, I'm more inclined to cbet
3) If players haven't seen much action in the last few rounds from me, or if I've decided to c/f a flop vs someone's range fairly recently (Especially if villain was involved) I'm more likely to check flop.


you can play the hand sorta 2 ways for value:

1) bet flop, check turn (if villain also checks, bet river). If villain bets turn, call and check river
2) check flop... if we c/c'd flop we continue as played with c/c turn and c/f if we had to c/c and b/f if he check behind also

I prefer line 1 in general for value, but I do both of the above based on gameflow and history... say 75% of the time I do 1, 25% I do a variation of 2.

[mcatdog]

pretty much all reasonably aggressive players will take a pop if we check here?

That's the point! We WANT him to bet the flop, in which case we will call him.

[bjsaust]

I disagree, lots of people will float you with a wide range on paired boards like that. I'm cbetting for value in hand 1.

[BigLRIP]

everyone just blindly saying cbet in hand 1 should rethink their poker game

So how often do you check the flop in OP's shoes