General Question: C-Bet on AA8

[spoonitnow]

100bbs 9-handed table, unknown EP Villain limp/calls our LP raise. The flop comes AA8 rainbow. Which hand should we be happier to c-bet, KQo or JTo?

To some people this might seem like a dumb or irrelevant question, but answer it seriously anyway.

[daven]

tj cos of blockers vs villain's range

KQo because I can still improve over JJ and TT easier if they decide I don't have trips or a bigger pair

he continues with 12 hands instead of 18 though when he have JTo
if he doesn't limp suited connectors UTG, he has 22-JJ to work with
22-77 - 6x6 combinations for a fold
88 - 3 combinations for set minan'/slowplayan'
99 - 6 combinations to call
TT - x combinations to call
JJ - x combinations to call

with KQo we have 18 hands that call, 3 hands that have us crushed, 36 hands that fold
if we bet 2/3 pot, we'll get 21 calls/raises and 36 folds
we have 36 times we win the pot right there, 21 times we have 22% equity

same with JTo, BUT:
15 call/raise 36 folds with 16% equity

aw fuck it looks like JTo is more profitable so I change my answer

[badgers]

KQo has more value as a bluff catcher and more showdown value but an unknown l/c I would assign a range heavily weighted towards PPs in which case I would rather cbet both. Given that we're cbetting both KQo has more value against a calling range so it is better, also the blockers against AK/AQ are kinda useful if he's nitty. It's fairly difficult to realise showdown value in this situation with KQ especially since villain may be turning low PPs into bluffs.

Also, a king or a queen will show up more often when you hold JTo
good time to bluff?

[nutsinho]

answer: neither. cbet both 100% of the time. or do you mean which should we be most happy to cbet?

[kmind]

I'm cbetting both but would prefer TJo I guess for reasons stated above but also has more turns that will help us than KQo if called.

[BankItDrew]

y would we cbet? There's two friggen aces on the board

[spoonitnow]

answer: neither. cbet both 100% of the time. or do you mean which should we be most happy to cbet?

Yeah that's what I mean.

[DaddyDeez]

JT? if our c-bet is called with KQ we would assume the worst that villain has an ace? Therefore if we get lucky on the turn and hit either a T or a J were only drawing to 4 outs on the river.

However if we hold JT and our c-bet is called and we get our lucky card on the turn we now have 8 outs to improve instead of just 4.

[Renton]

they are ofcourse both very easy bets, and nearly equal. KQ has the benefit of being a better hand and improving to a better holding, which at first glance makes it a better bet. However, JT is the easiest bet since it has absolutely no showdown value.

[Keilah]

+1 Renton

[jimmy44]

I think the type of villain should change the answer.
Against most villain's (I would c-bet 100% of the time, but here I'm choosing 1 of the 2 for the purpose of the post) I'm for KQ because villain's calling range would be Ax or PP and KQ would beat more PPs (if it hits) plus it decreases the probability of villain having KK/QQ.
Except vs very aggro villain's that would easily c/raise this flop, where I think our KQ would be better as a bluff catcher, therefore, I would prefer to C-bet JT.