45bb, 200NL, JJ vs unknown 3bet from BB

[|~|ypermegachi]

HERO $85
VILLAIN covers

HERO opens JJ UTG $7
someone cold calls,
VILLAIN in BB 3bets to $25
HERO calls.
other guy folds.

FLOP 7 3 A (pot = $62, hero's stack = $58)
VILLAIN checks...

[Muzzard]

Check behind, c/f alot of turns depending on any reads

[Numbr2intheWorld]

shove pre...

[meeloche]

shove pre...

Yeah i think this makes life a lot easier.

[bigspenda73]

seriously, how/why are you calling PF here?

[Da GOAT]

wow u called pre, i assumed its either a shove or fold depending on your estimate of opp range. calling is never good here!!

[minSim]

Once you call preflop I don't see how this can not be a c/f.

[Rondavu]

Push the flop. He's going to fold.

[noble007]

If I was villian I would go for stack-a-donk alot here vs shortstack &
check to him on flop, letting him shove all his mid pairs etc & more into my AK.

So if I was in your scenario hyper I would check fold.

Pre-flop is tricky, as peoples 3bet range vs unknown shortstacks are pretty tight - I mean they're going to have to call if you shove pre, so they're unlikely to be 3bet a hand they wouldnt be happy doing this with.

I think a shove pre-flop is best though its pretty close.
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[kmind]

Push the flop.

But also pushing pre is better

[|~|ypermegachi]

hmmm, i'm experimenting with the half-stack strategy and i guess i still haven't really adjusted to preflop 3bets/4bets yet. i always call a 3bet full-stacked in position with JJ.

he had AA. gg, nothing i could do.

[mixchange]

you are in position but he raised you (UTG) out of position. Considering pot/stack size pushing pre is best, but I think a fold is better considering his raise in respect to your position. In other spots I'd push.

[Lukie]

this can't be a fold pre vs an unknown for 42bb... we are shoving in $78 to win $175 (after rake). We need about 44% equity for shoving to be neutral EV even if cold caller folds 100% and bb calls 100% which is worse case for us obviously.

it's easy to construct a BB range that we have only 40% vs but that would (IMO) be too tight vs an unknown and also assumes 0 FE which probably isn't true although we obviously will have very little.

i like shoving over calling pre. stack sizes are kinda awkward and we are put into awkward spots like this too much. cold caller complicates that even more.