JJ in re-raised pot & JJ in a war with the BB

[I Like Pie]

Villain here is 22/10/6 over 58 hands
Do I fire again hoping he has AT, he MIGHT have 99 or 88 I guess but that's about all I'm beating. How do you proceed?

Party No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed)

Hero ($318.58)
UTG ($276.25)
MP ($389.59)
CO ($218.85)
Button ($94.70)
SB ($219.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $25, MP calls $18, Button calls $18.

Flop: ($79) T, 5, 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $52.58, MP calls $52.58, Button folds.

Turn: ($184.16) 2 (2 players)
Hero...

Final Pot: $184.16

Villain is 22/13/3 over 115 hands and seems competent
You usually 4-bet in this situation or does it really depend on the villain?

Party No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed)

UTG ($180)
MP ($311.45)
Hero ($199)
SB ($234.35)
BB ($191)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, BB raises to $27, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $77

Bonus hand, does this guy ever have anything other than AA here?
Villain running 32/10 over 54 hands, I can't remember anything specific about him but I didn't get the impression he was a strong player.

Party No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed)

UTG ($161.95)
MP ($193.95)
CO ($202)
Button ($224.10)
Hero ($210.20)
BB ($182.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 1 fold, Button raises to $16, Hero raises to $40.2, 1 fold, MP folds, Button raises to $84, Hero...

Final Pot: $89.41

[minSim]

Hand 1: Mostly b/f, maybe sometimes c/c

Hand 2: Villains history and stats are important. AK is probably in his range, so I like calling. OOP I'm more towards 4-betting.

Hand 3: Hmm...well AA vs KK is so rare that I just can't fold. Villain COULD be doing it with QQ or some AK maybe....at least I hope.

[|~|ypermegachi]

hand 1: standard
hand 2: i call the 3bet and get it in on a undercard flop.
hand 3: he could have KK, and maybe AK, but unlikely. i usually just bite my tongue and push in these situations, but i'm guessing at 200NL ppl aren't stacking off preflop with JJ anymore.

[Miffed22001]

1. stamdard
2. I still cant get a real handle on party so i wek fold this. Opps dont reraise AK a lot so against a semi-fishy/average player this is a fold but against a better play who may felt AK we'd need to look it up. Fold, but with QQ here id have no idea.
3. Easy baby, push.

[I Like Pie]

2. I still cant get a real handle on party so i wek fold this. Opps dont reraise AK a lot so against a semi-fishy/average player this is a fold but against a better play who may felt AK we'd need to look it up. Fold, but with QQ here id have no idea.

Really? you think his range is as tight as QQ+ here?

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

Hand 1). Reraising a bit more PF, particularly when OOP, makes playing the hand after the flop easier. You may also take the pot down PF, which with a middle pair OOP isn't such a bad thing. As played it is tough to know whether villain was floating with 8-8/FD or has flopped a set. I c/f the turn.

Hand 2). I call the 3bet PF, and raise any non Ace/King high flop, willing to play for stacks on a board with almost any kind of draw against someone with a PFR >10%, since they usually don't 3bet only J-J+/A-K. If i were going to 4bet a 3bet from the blinds vs. my button raise, i would prefer to do so with a hand that has the best possible equity against a 4bet calling range and has little showdown value. Pocket pairs 6-6 - 9-9 are optimal against a 4bet calling range of Q-Q/A-K, which i feel is reasonable for a button vs. blind battle. The reason that i would 4bet these pairs and not J-J is because these pairs are much more difficult to play on the flop, since flops tend to contain 2 overcards more often when you hold 6-6 than when you hold J-J.
But if you feel villain will only call a 4bet with K-K+ you should 4bet A-xs. Also you should 4bet for a smaller amount, like to $55-60.

[WildBobAA]

2. I still cant get a real handle on party so i wek fold this. Opps dont reraise AK a lot so against a semi-fishy/average player this is a fold but against a better play who may felt AK we'd need to look it up. Fold, but with QQ here id have no idea.

Wow you're really folding JJ on the button vs a BB 3-bet? Seriously? It seems like you're losing a ton of value.

[andy-akb]

1) I think I may bet larger on the flop so that I can make a less awkward shove on the turn

2) Against a player like this I really think I am going to just be calling a 3bet here the vast majority of the time. Against someboyd much looser I may 4bet here, but I dont really think it is standard against most opponents at all unless they are super aggro and we are calling a shove.

3) Most of the time he will have AA, but we have a decent amount in PF and the guy doesnt seem like a great player. Just shove.

[I Like Pie]

On hand one, looking back I really don't know why I raised to $25, in that situation I usually make it $28-$32.

But if you feel villain will only call a 4bet with K-K+ you should 4bet A-xs. Also you should 4bet for a smaller amount, like to $55-60.

I don't think that 4-bet is strong enough. If he's making it $27, raising it to $55-$60 is just like a mini-raise and he's not folding to that.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I hand one, looking back I really don't know why I raised to $25, in that situation I usually make it $28-$32.

Yeah at least 32.

[Miffed22001]

2. I still cant get a real handle on party so i wek fold this. Opps dont reraise AK a lot so against a semi-fishy/average player this is a fold but against a better play who may felt AK we'd need to look it up. Fold, but with QQ here id have no idea.

Wow you're really folding JJ on the button vs a BB 3-bet? Seriously? It seems like you're losing a ton of value.

my mistake, thought we were sb.
yeah def 4bet on button with jacks.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

my mistake, thought we were sb.

that just makes me want to 4-bet more...

[mixchange]

I'd think someone holding a 10 would raise this flop on you. I might wuss out and fold turn here. Check/call, definitely not a good spot to bet imo

hand 2
I just call here, I enjoy having position and JJ is a pain to play, and the 4bet means you are basically playing for stacks

Hand 3 I fold like a pussball unless I have a read. Seems over 50% of my AA all ins are against KK, so I'm trying to pick more spots with KK PF where I have a good read on my opponent

[I Like Pie]

Results:
Hand 1: I check, he bet $110, I folded
Hand 2: He shoved over my $77 bet, I call, my JJ held up vs his AK
Hand 3: I actually had QQ, I just wanted to see what people would do with KK. I folded, you see AA there about 95% of the time IMO.