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Pair and nut flush draw with little FE...

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  1. #1

    Default Pair and nut flush draw with little FE...

    Villain in this hand is unknown. I really want to push here, even though i have little FE (i doubt he's folding a K), because:

    1. I could actually have the best hand right now and i don't want to have to fold it.
    2. I know pushing is +EV just because of how many outs i have.
    3. I'm not sure if i can make my hand more +EV by calling here and playing on later streets because i don't know the villains tendencies...

    Is this bad logic?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG ($18.05)
    Hero ($169)
    CO ($118.05)
    Button ($51.15)
    SB ($151.70)
    BB ($113.30)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $8, 3 folds.

    Flop: ($19) J, K, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $14, CO raises to $28, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???
  2. #2
    I'm not folding and I'm not calling, so I'm pretty sure pushing is the best option. Mini-raises on this flop often mean "I know flopped flushes are rare and I have at least a pair or a diamond". A push would tell him "whatever you hold I have outs".
  3. #3
    I think pushing here is good because you are OOP.
  4. #4
    I would re-raise to 60 and shove the turn.
  5. #5
    insta insta insta insta insta insta shove
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  6. #6
    i like your logic.
  7. #7
    Reads are pretty irrelevant. You have a big hand with which you should gamble given the reasonably shallow stacks.
  8. #8
    I dont get it. We almost never have the winning hand, but we are ahead a lot, and we have almost no FE. Why not just take our 14 outs? I dont expect to get blown out of the pot from a guy who just minraised.
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    I would re-raise to 60 and shove the turn.
    I get that if villain calls your re-raising to 60, he's left with $50.00 with a $139.00 pot and thus you get the odds to shove on the turn (putting some 26% of the pot with 30% chance to make your hand). It seems you re-raise b/c you want the action and the re-raise is more likely to be called than the all-in re-raise, and it will pot-commit villain anways. But what if a K comes on the turn? The Aces may no longer be outs, and then you don't get the odds to shove? Then what do you do?
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    I dont get it. We almost never have the winning hand, but we are ahead a lot, and we have almost no FE. Why not just take our 14 outs? I dont expect to get blown out of the pot from a guy who just minraised.
    short stacks play so random, i bet we have the best hand at least 10% of the time, and it just sucks checking the turn and prob folding the 2/3 time the draw misses.
    just push the flop and get full equity out of the hand.

    miracleriver- i think fnord didn't notice CO has a short stack.

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