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  1. #1

    Default Super fish sucky sucky?

    Villan is 71/0/1 really fishy. His range on flop is Kx and Tx. Can i ever give up on turn?

    PokerStars Game #8985335978: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/19 - 17:10:27 (ET)
    Table 'Chloris IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Blizzy23 ($227.85 in chips)
    Seat 2: redgrape ($131.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: andr3w321 ($100 in chips)
    Seat 4: 542397 ($77.70 in chips)
    Seat 5: sjuhhh ($64.50 in chips)
    Seat 6: kerrdogg1 ($55.70 in chips)
    Blizzy23: posts small blind $0.50
    redgrape: posts big blind $1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to redgrape [Tc Jc]
    andr3w321: folds
    542397: calls $1
    sjuhhh: folds
    kerrdogg1: folds
    Blizzy23: folds
    redgrape: raises $4 to $5
    542397: calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [Ks Th Ts]
    redgrape: bets $8
    542397: raises $8 to $16
    redgrape: raises $17 to $33
    542397: calls $17
    *** TURN *** [Ks Th Ts] [Kd]
    redgrape: ???
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    tough spot esp since these players (with no post-flop reads) tend to play draws passively so looks like you're either splitting or drawing to 1 out.

    I'd have a tough time folding the turn though since this type of villain can also be donking a PP here (like JJ/QQ played like an idiot).
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Meh. I don't think it matters much given the stack sizes.

    I feel like his range is heavily weighted towards a T given the flop action and his stats, but you have to condition that by the fact that there are twice as many ways for him to hold Kx as Tx. If you feel that you are even money to be tied, you can bet enough to put him AI and make a profit if he can ever fold a T getting 3:1 on that board (probably not).

    I think the major decision is whether he raises a hand like Kx on that flop and then calls a reraise that reps AA, AK, KK or Tx.

    I think check/calling is terrible. I would always push if I were going to call, and I would only check if I thought he would only bet the turn with a K, in which case I would check/fold. If he checks behind on the turn, I would make a bet that was just enough to put him all in (as opposed to pushing) on the river.
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    Why can't we put a FD or combodraw in his range?
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    im guessing cos of his ex pass stats and hes not riaing enoug to give him any FE
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    there's $30 left with a $76 pot. in a spot like this i would just say to myself, fuck it.
    someone with 70/0 stats could have AA, even worse.
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    check call turn, stick it in on riv if he checks behind
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    check call turn
    This is only good if OP's original read is bad (Villain has K or T) and Villain is capable of bluffing after the flop action.

    I do agree that Villain's range will often be wider than Kx or Tx, but that is not our presumed read here.
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    i guess it could be wider but at least his pushing range on the turn is Tx/Kx. Although I'm not quite sure, it could just be Kx.
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