2 spots with pocket pairs facing huge overbets

[benny999]

I thought it'd be more interesting to leave out my hand and just ask what would be the worst pocket pair that you need to call these bets (if at all for #1).

1- villain's 40/10 after 150 hands, but no other reads. The button is basically a calling station. I've been slag.

Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1./$2.
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $432.10
UTG+1: $353.45
Hero: $197.95
Button: $130.45
SB: $216
BB: $169

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with some pocket pair
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3 K K ($22, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 2 ($22, 3 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: K ($28, 3 players)
BB is all-in $160, Hero calls, Button calls all-in $121.45.


#2- I haven't played this guy in a few weeks or so, but last time he seemed like a donkish lag (not a very reliable read though). I'm new to the table.

Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1./$2.
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $169.30
CO: $189.95
Button: $208.75
Hero: $198
BB: $254.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with some pocket pair
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 2 4 5 ($22, 2 players)
Hero bets $16, CO raises to $160, Hero raises all-in $188, CO calls all-in $179.95.
Uncalled bets: $179.95 returned to CO.

[noble007]

(Babystakes Player - I just like to write in first & see if what the better players say is even marginally close to my suggestions - it's usually not

Hand 1_ Bet the flop, call with JJ,QQ, AA?

Hand 2_Only AA, even then marginal?

[nutsinho]

definitely none in the first one, not close

2nd id need a set or AsAx

[IowaSkinsFan]

He has quads almost every time in the first hand.

[bode]

1st hand im not sure i call any. such a small pot isnt worth it.

2nd hand id call with TT +

[griffey24]

He has quads almost every time in the first hand.

I definitely agree with this. that is SUCH a quads overbet, or at least some very big pocket pair overbet (aces or something).

Hand 2: weird raise by villain. Reads would help here. This is a very drawy board, but villain also limp called, so he could definitely have a set. I don't know if its worth stacking off here without reads.

[benny999]

thanks everyone. results (as if they aren't obvious in 1):

1, I convinced myself to call with AdAx thinking it might be QQ or something, but really I was expecting KKKK and prob should way too much..of course he had it.

2, I was tilting partly from the KKKAA vs KKKK hand (and some overconfidence from a recent heater), put him on a draw, and almost insta pushed only with 88, god bless america!!
at the time I was figuring donkish types don't raise so big with a set...realistically though that is possible especially with a spotty read, as is 2 pr and slow played bigger pair. he showed 444.