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  1. #1

    Default Hand from opps perspective

    This was a hand that i had a discussion with opp with afterwards. I'm interested in what people think opp should call with and why.

    Redgrape has been threebetting me light, It's obvious he realizes im raising a lot from the button and has raised this same amount several times. Nothing has shown me he's a big thinking player, but he seems solid.

    PokerStars Game #7886477377: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/01/11 - 19:44:35 (ET)
    Table 'Sadachbia V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: samiam54 ($65.35 in chips)
    Seat 2: iluvlindsay1 ($38.05 in chips)
    Seat 3: ajfennewald ($69.10 in chips)
    Seat 4: redgrape ($66.45 in chips)
    Seat 5: kaddy18 ($20.65 in chips)
    redgrape: posts small blind $0.25
    kaddy18: posts big blind $0.50
    Pullfinger: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ajfennewald [Tc Ad]
    samiam54: folds
    iluvlindsay1: folds
    ajfennewald: raises $1.50 to $2
    redgrape: raises $5 to $7
    kaddy18: folds
    ajfennewald: calls $5
    *** FLOP *** [7c Ts Kd]
    redgrape: bets $11
    ajfennewald: calls $11
    *** TURN *** [7c Ts Kd] [7d]
    redgrape: checks
    ajfennewald: checks
    *** RIVER *** [7c Ts Kd 7d] [8h]
    redgrape: bets $34
    ajfennewald???

    I assume some will say fourbet but lets just ignore that for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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    what do you call with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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    Yes, although he is 3betting light and we do have position, I still do not like calling here with AT preflop.

    As played, I fold the river too.
    I think this river is meant to look like a bluff, and making hero calls in situations like this is -EV without very good reads on opp.
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    I think it's important that if u respond to this post that u read every word of the OP.
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    AK, maybe KQ and obvious trips/boats. Nothing more considering turn line looks like a c/r spot.
    Saying that river bet is fairly large and looks more bluffy than value(y) so it might be worth a call.
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    I would, first of all, just leave the table.

    I might just push the flop, if i were him.

    On the river, knowing you, i think you made a really good bet. Because it's either a total bluff or something great. i couldn't call here because even some "bluffs" i'm not beating.
  8. #8
    some bluffs your not beating??? your kidding right? Villian only needs to be bluffing 1/3 of the time for a call here to be correct and its unlikely (not completly ruled out) that villian has a marginal hand with showdown value like JJ/QQ/Kx. So a call with AK has a similar EV as AT. Lets assume that villian will think you will only call here with atleast AK and your most likely holding is a marginal hand, i think villians range will be 7x+ alot of the time but a bluff enough to justify a call with AT. ironically AT is close to the least i would call with
  9. #9
    i m a station so I call and expect redgrape to flip over something like AJ crap or nut boat/J9 st8

    edit : redgrape doesn't think I'm an idiot so there's no sense in stack-a-donking me on the turn hence I doubt he checks the turn unless he turned a boat and wants to underrep his hand.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  10. #10
    i think grape has AK
  11. #11
    fold preflop
  12. #12
    The line he took is pretty much the "standard" way of playing A-A, A-K, K-K or T-T, and he probably isn't capable of doing this with anything else. Pretty easy fold.
  13. #13
    results plz cuz they are like crack
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    I had AK he called and I won.
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    good thing i wasn t villain. i d have been taken to value tooooooown
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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