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    Default 600NL HU, flop and river question

    Opp is a 6 max reg, somewhat active raising on the BU, isn't threebetting light, although he is calling 100% of my threebets so he probably isn't giving them much credit, and i suspect he's playing some 6 max tables so isn't paying too good attention, and therefore thinks im threebetting lighter than i am.
    He's generally passive, often not thin vbetting.
    My question is flop and river, i assume people tend to have a pretty balanced frequency of decisions on them.

    POKERSTARS GAME #12725073366: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/19 - 18:04:25 (ET)
    Table 'Devota III' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: heybude ($806 in chips)
    Seat 2: adsanman12 ($990.50 in chips)
    adsanman12: posts small blind $3
    heybude: posts big blind $6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to heybude [Qd Kh]
    adsanman12: raises $12 to $18
    heybude: raises $48 to $66
    adsanman12: calls $48
    *** FLOP *** [Ac Kd 6s]
    heybude: bets $90
    adsanman12: calls $90
    *** TURN *** [Ac Kd 6s] [7c]
    heybude: checks
    adsanman12: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Ac Kd 6s 7c] [3s]
    heybude: bets $174

    Flop I assume we check a good amount but what about river?
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    check/call is waaaay better here
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauce123
    check/raise is waaaay better here
    yea??
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    c/c is way better, I agree. You can't value bet like that on ace high boards. If you want to turn your hand into a bluff, trying to push him off a weaker ace, you also won't suceed because noone believes bet check bet line.
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    c/c is way better, I agree. You can't value bet like that on ace high boards. If you want to turn your hand into a bluff, trying to push him off a weaker ace, you also won't suceed because noone believes bet check bet line.
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    I guess I shouldn't even post in high stakes but when I first looked at the hand I thought c/f>c/c>b/f>b/c

    Torn between c/f and c/c because I couldn't figure out a hand he'd fire with that we beat and it doesn't sound like he's going to turn a hand like 56s into a bluff here. His range is also weird, does it ever include 88/99/broadway gutshots?

    Also, would this be considered a "combo bet"?
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    C/C better cause we get value from his floats with QJ JT QT

    we also cant be sure he calls another vbet with KJ KT K9
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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    no one likes c/r ?????????? im telling you its sick here
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    gabe i dont think AJ folds?
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    no one likes c/r ?????????? im telling you its sick here
    Oh, i thought u meant c/r flop for the longest time.

    Yeah i like c/r river, seems sick depending if he's going to try to value a K.
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    i rly dont like c/r
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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    put all his ranges together, and betting isn't as good as checking, and calling sucks once he bets after we check riv, but his calling range once we c/r is so small that i think you should love c/r hhere
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    gabe- i think we agree about everything but "his calling range is so small"

    tho this might be cause i have such a shitty image
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
  14. #14
    I used to play with this guy when I played $400NL a while back. He calls preflop 3-bets pretty light (this has nothing to do with you, it's just something he does) and is not very aggressive postflop. Check-calling the river is terrible against this guy because of his passivity. He probably has an ace here and might lay it down if you bluff big on the river. Although better is probably betting big on the turn against him. From what I remember he's more liable to give you credit for a big hand if you appear to be playing it in a straightforward way rather than making "deceptive" plays like checking the turn and betting the river. I remember him making some donkish payoffs when I bet top pair on the flop, checked the turn and then bet the river.
  15. #15
    c/r river is sick. gabe i <3 you.

    betting river for value is just wayy too thin, i could see him calling worse but also folding better just depending on his mood.

    I kinda like the fact you bet the flop because it makes hand reading easier.

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