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KK vs tightie

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  1. #1

    Default KK vs tightie

    I'm just curious what you think this guy has. Was this a bad fold?

    Villain is 11/1/1.4 over 148 hands. Do you think he's doing this with QQ-? I don't think a nit like this raises this flop so big with anything less than a set or AA but wanted other opinions.


    Ultimate Bet
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.05./$0.10.
    10 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $4.55
    UTG+1: $7.39
    Hero: $9.85
    MP1: $1.67
    MP2: $4.55
    MP3: $8.10
    CO: $14.26
    Button: $17.81
    SB: $1.84
    BB: $10.53

    Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+2 with K K
    UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

    Flop: 7 7 3 ($1.95, 4 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.95, MP3 folds, CO raises to $7.8, BB folds, Hero folds.
    Uncalled bets: $5.85 returned to CO.

    Results:
    Final pot: $5.85


    This is what he did with AA once (villain is UTG+2):

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    Blinds: $0.05./$0.10.
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    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $11.39
    UTG+1: $9.95
    UTG+2: $14.75
    MP1: $9.10
    MP2: $6.90
    MP3: $20.06
    CO: $11.30
    Button: $2.84
    Hero: $9.45
    BB: $3.04

    Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with T K
    2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

    Flop: T Q 5 ($0.5, 5 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets $0.5, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero folds, BB folds.

    Turn: 2 ($1.5, 2 players)
    UTG+2 bets $1.5, CO calls.

    River: 7 ($4.5, 2 players)
    UTG+2 bets $4.5, CO calls.

    Results:
    Final pot: $13.5
    UTG+2 shows Ad As

    And QQ (villain is BB):

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    Blinds: $0.05./$0.10.
    10 players
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    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $9.50
    UTG+1: $5.68
    UTG+2: $21.07
    MP1: $11.50
    MP2: $2.90
    Hero: $9.85
    CO: $2.21
    Button: $11.39
    SB: $9.35
    BB: $9.40

    Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with 3 T
    UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.35, 3 folds, Hero folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

    Flop: 2 5 T ($1.1, 3 players)
    BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1.1, CO folds, BB calls.

    Turn: Q ($3.3, 2 players)
    BB checks, UTG+1 bets $3.3, BB calls.

    River: A ($9.9, 2 players)
    BB is all-in $4.65, UTG+1 calls all-in $0.93.
    Uncalled bets: $3.72 returned to BB.

    Results:
    Final pot: $11.76
    BB shows Qs Qc
    UTG+1 shows 9h 9d
  2. #2

    Default Re: KK vs tightie

    Personally? I would mash the call button as fast as my little fingers will allow.

    But if that's your read, you're better served in the longrun trusting your reads than convincing yourself otherwise, being right, and second guessing your read at a more critical time because of it.
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  3. #3
    I call imidiately even though fold is not such a bad idea here.
  4. #4
    I would re-raise and see his response.
    -Beck
  5. #5
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    if this is your read, i dont mind it at all. personally, i push my stack in and reload if he has it.
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  6. #6
    I call.
  7. #7
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  8. #8
    I push over the top. He makes this move with TT+.

    He doesn't have 77, or a single 7 for that matter. And from a nit whos playing 11/1 he might even lay down the 33s preflop. I can't see him pushing you with either a 3 or a 7 either. Nits like to extract value. This was a bully bet.

    Although I agree with everyone else, your fold was based on your read and you need to trust your gut. But range wise, I think theres just way too many times you're ahead (We'll assume KK is incredibly unlikely).

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 75.1940 % 75.19% 00.00% { KhKs }
    Hand 2: 24.8060 % 24.81% 00.00% { AA, QQ-99, AKs, AKo }

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