Standard?

[Fnord]

Haven't been at the table long, just stacked a donk when I shoved AsKx on a 542 all spade board and caught good.

We'll go with the typical full-stack read of kinda-tight kinda-passive.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($183)
Fnord ($281.30)
CO ($38.60)
Button ($200.65)
SB ($582)
BB ($98.10)

Preflop: Fnord is MP with K, J.
1 fold, Fnord raises to $6, 1 fold, Button calls $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold.

Flop: ($20) Q, T, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $16, Button calls $16, SB folds.

Turn: ($52) 6 (2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets $22, Fnord calls $22.

River: ($96) 5 (2 players)
Fnord bets $75...

[elipsesjeff]

I think this is how I play it. I like the river bet and villain has a pair even if it is a small one. Its pretty hard to put you on the flush and chances are you wont get called.

[bdawg56kg]

I'd bet the turn, and probably bet river too if I miss.

[Fnord]

I'd bet the turn, and probably bet river too if I miss.

Hence the check, a turn bet has very little fold equity and typical players at these stakes won't blow me away on the turn.

In LHE this is a mandatory 3-barrel. In NLHE, it's a tall order to fire two more reguardless of the next card.

[gabe]

turn bet might not have alot of FE but it has enough, you will also hardly ever get raised on the turn after they just call on this type of flop.

[Chopper]

i cant see how it is "hard to put you on a flush" here. most i play against will bet the flop on a 2 suit, check the missed turn and bet the made river.

if i have AQo here, i fold to you...i dont like it, but i fold. you would have a great line, however, if the A of clubs/spades hits the river...virtually undetectable.

question is: what do you do if you get raised? call? if you get raised up to $225+, do you still call, or does it become a fold? i know in the specific hand villain cant go to $225+...my questions are meant to be general because this is where i have trouble with this hand, as i have seen both AhXh and AQo play agasint me this way, too.

[Fnord]

i cant see how it is "hard to put you on a flush" here. most i play against will bet the flop on a 2 suit, check the missed turn and bet the made river.

That's certainly the most straight-forward play. However, I think most of the field bombs both streets.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

i bet less on the river, like 45. He's not calling that bet.

[dsaxton]

Usually when a player just calls you on a flop like this, they don't have a hand that can handle much pressure. I'd make a decent-sized bet on the turn, especially since you have such a monster draw.

[nutsinho]

anyone c/r the turn with any regularity?

[Warpe]

Haven't been at the table long, just stacked a donk when I shoved AsKx on a 542 all spade board and caught good.

Is your logic that since you've just pushed a nut flush draw and caught, villain won't put you on a flush draw here?

[Fnord]

They don't have a hand that can handle much pressure.

3/4 pot turn, shove river? What's your line then?

My observation so far has been that both draws and made hands are calling up to around pot on the turn and we get all of our fold equity against those hands on the river.

Is your logic that since you've just pushed a nut flush draw and caught, villain won't put you on a flush draw here?

My thought is that showing that I'll play a less than amazing hand really fast has built up a little mistrust at the table. Maybe it's just irrelevent, meh.

[johnny_fish]

My standard line is bet 40$ and shove most rivers (depending on read).

[gabe]

Usually when a player just calls you on a flop like this, they don't have a hand that can handle much pressure. I'd make a decent-sized bet on the turn, especially since you have such a monster draw.

bingo

[bdawg56kg]

Usually when a player just calls you on a flop like this, they don't have a hand that can handle much pressure. I'd make a decent-sized bet on the turn, especially since you have such a monster draw.

bingo

Yep. I'd shove river too if I missed, unless I hit a K.

[dsaxton]

Also, if you expect that this guy is going to bet the turn most of the time if you check, then you should bet the hand yourself since you're going to call his bet anyways, and by betting you give him the chance to fold.

[Renton]

id bet the turn, for the small fe plus to build the pot in case i hit on the river

[elipsesjeff]

id bet the turn, for the small fe plus to build the pot in case i hit on the river

...and to make a river push more +EV when you miss.