How not to pay off a higher flush

[andy609]

This has happened to me a couple times recently.

I'm only asking about situations where you and the villian have the same number of pocket cards in the suit in question, btw.

Here are the hands. The second one I realized I should have put him on AK or pocket queens (with a flush draw).

Hand #32544854-1499 at Lees Summit (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 14/Jun/06 01:33:37

UBpkrplyr is at seat 0 with $25.
puppetz is at seat 1 with $59.65.
AlCapowned is at seat 2 with $34.45.
andy609 is at seat 3 with $27.15.
dongmai is at seat 4 with $18.50.
ricknlaura is at seat 5 with $33.05.
Wastedbacon is at seat 6 with $18.80.
Arkalius is at seat 7 with $40.45.
mtoutlaw is at seat 8 with $26.65.
Wouldj is at seat 9 with $23.40.
The button is at seat 2.

andy609 posts the small blind of $.10.
dongmai posts the big blind of $.25.

UBpkrplyr: -- --
puppetz: -- --
AlCapowned: -- --
andy609: Jc 7c
dongmai: -- --
ricknlaura: -- --
Wastedbacon: -- --
Arkalius: -- --
mtoutlaw: -- --
Wouldj: -- --

Pre-flop:

ricknlaura folds. Wastedbacon folds. Arkalius
calls. mtoutlaw folds. Wouldj calls. UBpkrplyr
folds. puppetz calls. AlCapowned folds. andy609
calls. dongmai checks.

Flop (board: 9d Ac Js):

andy609 checks. dongmai checks. Arkalius checks.
Wouldj checks. puppetz checks.

Turn (board: 9d Ac Js 9c):

andy609 bets $1.65. dongmai folds. Arkalius calls.
Wouldj folds. puppetz folds.

River (board: 9d Ac Js 9c Qc):

andy609 bets $2. Arkalius raises to $6. andy609
calls.



Showdown:

Arkalius shows Kc 2c.
Arkalius has Kc 2c Ac 9c Qc: flush, ace high.
andy609 mucks cards.
(andy609 has Jc 7c.)


Hand #32544854-1499 Summary:

$.80 is raked from a pot of $16.55.
Arkalius wins $15.75 with flush, ace high.
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Hand #32544842-211 at Providence (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 12/Jun/06 17:20:34

andy609 is at seat 0 with $28.40.
luxor328 is at seat 1 with $6.05.
-bag-man- is at seat 2 with $23.70.
venom720 is at seat 3 with $21.25.
Bene Meritus is at seat 4 with $24.65.
BiggySpurge is at seat 5 with $25.90.
tgeva is at seat 6 with $16.95.
p0kerat is at seat 7 with $24.75.
moogberg is at seat 8 with $25.
OVERAGEJOE is at seat 9 with $16.85.
The button is at seat 4.

BiggySpurge posts the small blind of $.10.
tgeva posts the big blind of $.25.

andy609: Ah Jc
luxor328: -- --
-bag-man-: -- --
venom720: -- --
Bene Meritus: -- --
BiggySpurge: -- --
tgeva: -- --
p0kerat: -- --
OVERAGEJOE: -- --

Pre-flop:

p0kerat calls. OVERAGEJOE folds. andy609 raises to
$1.25. luxor328 folds. -bag-man- calls. venom720
folds. Bene Meritus calls. BiggySpurge folds.
tgeva folds. p0kerat calls.

Flop (board: Kc Ac Tc):

p0kerat checks. andy609 bets $2.90. -bag-man-
calls. Bene Meritus calls. p0kerat folds.

Turn (board: Kc Ac Tc 8c):

andy609 checks. -bag-man- checks. Bene Meritus bets
$6. andy609 calls. -bag-man- folds.

River (board: Kc Ac Tc 8c 3d):

andy609 checks. Bene Meritus bets $2.50. andy609
calls.



Showdown:

Bene Meritus shows Qc Qs.
Bene Meritus has Qc Kc Ac Tc 8c: flush, ace high.
andy609 mucks cards.
(andy609 has Ah Jc.)


Hand #32544842-211 Summary:

$1.55 is raked from a pot of $31.05.
Bene Meritus wins $29.50 with flush, ace high.

[andy-akb]

1. On the turn is that an overbet? By my count the pot is about $1.25-rake, I dont mind a bet here, but Id make it closer to $1, the board is paired now though, so I wouldnt hate a check, especially OOP when somebody could have been slowplaying a set on the flop. Not something you are too worried about, but its definitely a possibility. On the river you make the 2nd nut flush, a full house isnt too likely so Id bet for value here. We are only realistically beat by a higher flush or maybe something like Q9, but thats not too likely. Reads are important here, how has the villain played before? Against most I think this is a call, but I think its fairly thin.

2. Thats a really sketchy flop, I probably cbet this to protect my hand probably a little more though [closer to $4] to make drawing to a flush or a straight a bigger mistake. The turn Im not too sure about though, villain could just be betting because he is last to act, but I dont think most would do that on this board. What hands preflop would have a worse club than us and play the hand this way? TT and 88 would raise somewhere in there, 99 is possible, but I really dont think somebody is betting a worse flush than that in a multiway pot. Any reads? What do people think of a bet/fold line on the turn? As played I call the river.

[T_Khan]

Was there any way the 1st game could be prevented? I think u played that perfectly and just were unlucky , predictions on higher flushes are hard when u have the 2nd best nut flush.

[aokrongly]

both of those are examples of odd hands that you were in for many reason - not just the flush. In those instances it's hard not to play them out. You opponents made value bets and you called them down.

Those hands are just poker. My answer to your question though is not to play for the flush with what I call jack-on hands (jxs) - this is as opposed to jackoff hands (jxo).

But these hands are just poker. You played them fine.