WOW! Biggest retard ever....

[Trikflow77]

Seat 1: griffwins (2385 in chips)
Seat 3: pocktmullets (6255 in chips)
Seat 4: p333 (4840 in chips)
Seat 9: wavetroll (20 in chips)
griffwins: posts the ante 25
pocktmullets: posts the ante 25
p333: posts the ante 25
wavetroll: posts the ante 20 and is all-in
pocktmullets: posts small blind 200
p333: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pocktmullets [6d Kh]
griffwins: raises 1200 to 1600
pocktmullets: raises 4630 to 6230 and is all-in
p333: folds
griffwins: calls 760 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qh 6s 8c]
pocktmullets said, "u are ummmmt"
*** TURN *** [Qh 6s 8c] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 6s 8c Th] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pocktmullets: shows [6d Kh] (a pair of Sixes)
griffwins: shows [Js Ac] (high card Ace)
pocktmullets collected 5135 from side pot
wavetroll: shows [9s Qd] (a pair of Queens)
wavetroll collected 80 from main pot

[konahead]

but what if wavetroll doubled up? griffwins obviously need to make a move now just in case......

what the problem is? splain me.....

[Trikflow77]

but what if wavetroll doubled up? griffwins obviously need to make a move now just in case......

what the problem is? splain me.....

Ummmm.....this is fundamental here.....the guy has 20 chips........ think about why i made this raise.

[konahead]

I was kidding! like saying "what the problem is?" instead of "what is the problem". and splain me instead of explain it to me... Kind of a Martin Lawrence thing... lol - my bad. (wavetroll would have to double up 5 times just to make the big blind - I thought it was obvious....)

sometimes my wife can't even tell when I'm kidding, so I shouldn't have expected you to know... sorry.

[Trikflow77]

I was kidding! like saying "what the problem is?" instead of "what is the problem". and splain me instead of explain it to me... Kind of a Martin Lawrence thing... lol - my bad. (wavetroll would have to double up 5 times just to make the big blind - I thought it was obvious....)

sometimes my wife can't even tell when I'm kidding, so I shouldn't have expected you to know... sorry.

Ok.....my sarcasm detector has been way off lately........

[arkana]

This isnt a satellite is it? I see nothing wrong with his play. Sure he is giving up a dead certain in the money but he should be shooting for first rather than trying to sneak into the money with 760 chips at 400/200 blinds. He had like 2/3 of his stack in there already. Or am i missing something?

[konahead]

he shouldn't have raised in the first place, with an opp on a 20 chip life support. I fold or limp anything but AA/KK here. that was his first mistake..... (plus AJo isn't all that - lol)

calling the push against a player like Trikflow77 - that knows how to be a big stack - was his second mistake.... (I'd have folded both AA and KK here....)

You act like he should just focus on 1st and getting ITM is immaterial - I would strongly disagree with that. I HATE to spend 45 minutes getting down to 4 and going out 4th. I say at least pay me something. I'll focus on 1st once I'm getting paid something..

[taipan168]

I agree, AJo just isn't nearly strong enough to be raising against the SB and BB, both of whom have him outstacked when both would otherwise be AI against the shortie. I agree with konahead, I'm dumping anything less than AA-QQ (and maybe AK/JJ) here and if I picked up those hands I'm pushing them to try to isolate the shortie.

Plus by raising, he forced the BB to fold, who might have had a hand that would have knocked the shortie out.

[Trikflow77]

This isnt a satellite is it? I see nothing wrong with his play. Sure he is giving up a dead certain in the money but he should be shooting for first rather than trying to sneak into the money with 760 chips at 400/200 blinds. He had like 2/3 of his stack in there already. Or am i missing something?

he made a big bet which he should not have done, the guy will have to double like 5 times in a row not to get knocked out.......and the AJ guy could fold and get in easy.......he doesnt have to make a 4x bet with AJ here......it was a terrible move......

[drmcboy]

biggest retard ever is a massive stretch.

[taipan168]

Trikflow, if griffwins had pushed rather than made the stupid raise that he did, would you have given him credit for a big hand and gotten out of the way?

[Trikflow77]

Trikflow, if griffwins had pushed rather than made the stupid raise that he did, would you have given him credit for a big hand and gotten out of the way?

of course........im not calling him if he pushes.....he played the hand terrible........

[Trikflow77]

biggest retard ever is a massive stretch.

No its not.......run some number here...... i would but im 10 tabling.....i would bet calling with kk is -ev

[DaNutsInYoEye]

biggest retard ever is a massive stretch.

Perhaps, I'd still put him in the running though.

[fasin8ing]

Dude I just love your Avatar.. That shit is retardo smooth !

[arkana]

Ok i did some ICM calculations and he needs to be about a 63% favourite against your hand range to make that call, AJ is pretty strong 3-handed (shortie can win at most 80 chips from the pot) so i dont think you can call him a retard for calling unless you had been playing super tight or something and he could put you on a really tight hand range.

Having someone call you with 33 on a 35555 board because he "flopped the full house. gutted" is retarded, this is not. Yes he should have pushed preflop and yes its a marginal call but i see a lot worse than that on a regular basis.

[Trikflow77]

Ok i did some ICM calculations and he needs to be about a 63% favourite against your hand range to make that call, AJ is pretty strong 3-handed (shortie can win at most 80 chips from the pot) so i dont think you can call him a retard for calling unless you had been playing super tight or something and he could put you on a really tight hand range.

Having someone call you with 33 on a 35555 board because he "flopped the full house. gutted" is retarded, this is not. Yes he should have pushed preflop and yes its a marginal call but i see a lot worse than that on a regular basis.

IT is 4 handed........and calling all in with AJ when someone is all in for 20 chips and will for sure bust is pretty bad. So what ended up happening.....he was a slight favorite...lost to me.......and came in 4th when he for sure would have gotten 3rd........AJ is -ev here.

[arkana]

Ok i did some ICM calculations and he needs to be about a 63% favourite against your hand range to make that call, AJ is pretty strong 3-handed (shortie can win at most 80 chips from the pot) so i dont think you can call him a retard for calling unless you had been playing super tight or something and he could put you on a really tight hand range.

Having someone call you with 33 on a 35555 board because he "flopped the full house. gutted" is retarded, this is not. Yes he should have pushed preflop and yes its a marginal call but i see a lot worse than that on a regular basis.

IT is 4 handed........and calling all in with AJ when someone is all in for 20 chips and will for sure bust is pretty bad. So what ended up happening.....he was a slight favorite...lost to me.......and came in 4th when he for sure would have gotten 3rd........AJ is -ev here.

Effectively its not 4 handed because he doesnt need to be scared of the shorties hand, he only has to worry about your hand and the other guys' (if the shortie wins vs him it doesnt really affect him chipwise).
Its not -EV if your hand range is random, AJ is about 63% against a random hand so its breakeven. What dont you understand about the fact that he is risking being out of the money but he is shooting for first? If he calls and wins his EV (ICM) shoots up to ~0.35 from ~0.22, if he loses then obviously it goes down to 0. So if he has a better than 63% chance of winning (against your hand range) it becomes +EV to call there.

[arkana]

Just to be clear, Im talking about his decision to call off his last 760 chips. At that point the expected value of folding and calling is almost the same given you have a wide range (as your range becomes tighter calling becomes -EV). It doesnt make a big difference whether he calls or folds and its not like he can hold out for bigger +EV situations since he will be left with 760 at 400/200 blinds if he folds.

[spoonitnow]

Agreed. Pretty big retard.

[A10Chief]

He is a gigantic retard for not open pushing. The call at the end is almost mandatory once he puts all those chips in. Unless....wait...maybe he was trying to induce a bluff with the mighty AJo.