Do I over value PPs late?

[bluey]

I've been looking over past histories and I've noticed especially with the lower pairs I seem to be -ev. Either I win the blinds or get called and am in a coinflip or dominated.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx


MP (t1640)
CO (t2555)
Button (t2830)
SB (t1780)
Hero (t2125)
UTG (t2570)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
1 fold, MP raises to t450, 2 folds, SB calls t375, Hero raises to t2125, MP folds, SB calls t1330 (All-In).

Flop: (t4355) J, A, 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t4355) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4355) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t4355

Results in white below:
Hero has Th Td (two pair, aces and tens).
SB has Tc Kc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins t4010. Hero wins t345.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t3985)
SB (t1335)
BB (t3445)
UTG (t1195)
MP (t3540)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, T.
UTG raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero raises to t900, 2 folds, UTG raises to t1195, Hero calls t295.

Flop: (t2615) J, A, 7 (2 players)

Turn: (t2615) 9 (2 players)

River: (t2615) 4 (2 players)

Final Pot: t2615

Results in white below:
UTG has Ah Th (one pair, aces).
Hero has Tc Td (one pair, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins t2615.

For hand 2 would I be better smooth calling and then pushing a non scary flop?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t1245)
UTG (t2850)
MP (t2385)
Button (t1870)
SB (t5150)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
1 fold, MP raises to t300, 2 folds, Hero raises to t1245, MP calls t945.

Flop: (t2565) 7, Q, J (2 players)

Turn: (t2565) 3 (2 players)

River: (t2565) 9 (2 players)

Final Pot: t2565

Results in white below:
Hero has 8s 8c (one pair, eights).
MP has Kh Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: MP wins t2565.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t1765)
SB (t7490)
BB (t1665)
UTG (t2580)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 6.
UTG raises to t450, Hero raises to t1765, 2 folds, UTG calls t1315.

Flop: (t3755) T, 3, 3 (2 players)

Turn: (t3755) A (2 players)

River: (t3755) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: t3755

Results in white below:
Hero has 6s 6h (two pair, sixes and threes).
UTG has Ah Jh (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: UTG wins t3755.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t3910)
MP (t2690)
Button (t715)
Hero (t1035)
BB (t5150)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 4.
2 folds, Button raises to t715, Hero raises to t1035, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1900) 8, 7, 6 (2 players)

Turn: (t1900) 2 (2 players)

River: (t1900) A (2 players)

Final Pot: t1900

Results in white below:
Button has Kc 9c (high card, ace).
Hero has 4c 4h (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins t1900.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t4820)
UTG (t965)
Hero (t1445)
CO (t2270)
Button (t2275)
SB (t1725)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3, 3.
1 fold, Hero raises to t1445, 4 folds.

Final Pot: t1670

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins t1670.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t1850)
Button (t2315)
SB (t2370)
Hero (t895)
UTG (t2180)
MP (t3890)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 3.
UTG calls t150, MP calls t150, 3 folds, Hero raises to t895, UTG folds, MP calls t745.

Flop: (t2015) T, 4, 7 (2 players)

Turn: (t2015) A (2 players)

River: (t2015) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: t2015

Results in white below:
Hero has 3s 3d (one pair, threes).
MP has 5d 5s (one pair, fives).
Outcome: MP wins t2015.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t8090)
Hero (t1925)
BB (t2377)
UTG (t1108)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
1 fold, Button raises to t600, Hero raises to t1925, 1 fold, Button calls t1325.

Flop: (t4050) 9, K, 5 (2 players)

Turn: (t4050) 7 (2 players)

River: (t4050) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: t4050

Results in white below:
Button has Jd Kd (two pair, kings and fives).
Hero has 6c 6d (two pair, sixes and fives).
Outcome: Button wins t4050.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t3290)
BB (t4745)
Button (t5465)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 3.
Button raises to t625, Hero raises to t3290, 1 fold, Button folds.

Final Pot: t3940

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins t3940.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t4115)
BB (t4970)
Button (t4415)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 4.
1 fold, Hero raises to t4115, 1 fold.

Final Pot: t4165

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins t4165.


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t6640)
Button (t3920)
SB (t2940)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 4.
1 fold, SB raises to t2915, Hero calls t2515.

Flop: (t5480) K, J, T (2 players)

Turn: (t5480) 5 (2 players)

River: (t5480) 9 (2 players)

Final Pot: t5480

Results in white below:
Hero has 4s 4d (one pair, fours).
SB has Kd 8c (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins t5480.

[zarry]

i notice you do value them a little too much, you tend to push a lot with them when maybe just limping and trying to trip up is a better decision, if u dont trip up just get out, or even just fold em pre-flop a lot of the lower ones, higher ones a raise or a push is fine, and in some situations u were low enough that a push with a pair is definetly fine... but othertimes just lay the low ones down or limp and try to catch or get out

[taipan168]

General comments - I think there's a very clear difference between an open push, an AI re-raise and calling an AI. It's a question of fold equity - if your stack is big enough relative to your opponents and they haven't yet committed anything to the pot, the chance that they will fold increases the strength of your hand. If you're shortstacked or re-raising a big stack raiser, chances are you'll be called down so you need a stronger hand.

1. TT - With a 3x BB raise and a caller in front, I call rather than push over here. If the flop comes all unders, push - if not, at least you have position on one of the two players so you can re-evaluate. TT is too vulnerable to overcards, particularly with the caller indicating strength, so you'd like to see the flop before committing all your chips. If you have to fold on the flop you still have 1675 chips which is (just) playable.

2. TT - I just put the short stack AI here rather than minraising, punish their weakness for not open pushing! Give them a chance to fold - if they do, well, you won 450 chips off them with no risk. I would not smooth call here as the SS is likely pushing the flop whatever comes, so you probably have to call regardless.

3. 88 - I think this is fine - you're shortstacked and need to make a move and 88 is plenty strong enough against the sorts of hands that MP might min-raise (eg. A-x, 77, etc).

4. I fold 66 here against an UTG raiser who isn't short stacked enough to have to take a chance. Odds are they have a hand, so you're either flipping or dominated.

5. 44 - Against the shortstack push I think this is fine, you're shortstacked too

6. 33 - Fine - you're the opening raiser

7. 33 - tough one, but I don't hate the push although it's very likely that since one of the limpers is the big stack you'll be called, and 33 is a pretty weak holding so you'll definitely be either flipping or dominated. If you just check the BB, you're out of position for the rest of the hand, but you're shortstacked and need to make a move at some stage.

8. 66 - I fold this - I'd open push 66 any day with <10 BB but since there is a raise in front of you by the big stack your push is almost guaranteed to be called down since your stack is less than a quarter of the raiser. I'd rather have some fold equity when I push.

9. 33 - this is OK - unlike 8, you have some fold equity because you're stack is pretty substantial relative to the big stack/raiser. It's also quite read-dependent - if the raiser is tight I fold this, if they've turned LAgg and are stealing lots of blinds I push over all day long.

10. 44 - with 20x BB I think you can raise to 600 here for the same result, no need to put your whole stack in jeopardy for 300 in blinds with a relatively weak pp.

11. 44 - maybe I'm weak-tight, but with the big stack I would fold here and look for spots where I can open raise to put pressure on my opponents. I don't think your opp is shortstacked enough relative to yourself where you can take a chance with 44, remember if he doubles up he's now the big stack. With 88 or above and AK/AQ I'm definitely calling but I don't think it's worth flipping for almost half of my stack with a low pair like 44.

Anybody violently disagree?