J3s in SB

[Harry]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, J.
UTG calls, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4, J, 8 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, MP folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

River: (5 BB) K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB

[midas06]

bet/3bet the flop. Lead the turn

[spoonitnow]

Top Pair plus flush draw = $$

[elipsesjeff]

Fold Preflop. Bet/3bet the flop.

[midas06]

I thought the completion pf was marginal, but maybe just acceptable in what's going to be a 4 way pot in a 1/2 structure with people who are pretty bad postflop

[6high]

I think preflop was easy.

But I agree w/ a flop 3bet.

[Harry]

Was getting 7-1 preflop, but Jeff says I need at least 9-1 to complete.

[6high]

Was getting 7-1 preflop, but Jeff says I need at least 9-1 to complete.

I can't comment on Jeff's figures because I don't know where he's getting them.

You will flop a 4 flush ~ 1:8.
When you add flops like 33x, or JJx or J3x or 542 etc, I think 7:1 is pretty good. Especially when your opponents will pay off.

[midas06]

Where's 9-1 come from?

[elipsesjeff]

You'll flop a four flush, according to 6 high, 1:8, but of that you'll only win 1 in 3. Roughly, you'll only hit 6% of all suited cards for flushes by the river. Throw in the other extra crap that 6high also listed and you're looking at closer to 11-1 than 9-1, but at 9-1 its a little more breakeven than it is +EV, where the higher the rake would affect your profitability.

9-1 comes from a series of statistics ihategnomes did in the winter time to effectivly cover the correct odds to play in the blinds. He never did post anything on this forum but he has talked to me "a few times" since then. I would suggest asking him and maybe he'll go into it with more depth. I guess if you really wanted to know exactly you could run a serious of PokerStove with range of hands and probabilities and stuff, but with regarding how he came to these numbers you'd have to ask him. But, I have seen his blind stats and they are pretty much perfect over a few tens of thousands of hands, so I believed him.

Considering blind play is where the majority of players have leaks at, being able to identify the correct odds per hand in multiway pot is key in having good blind numbers.

[euphoricism]

5:1 Suited connectors
7:1 Suited one gappers
9:1 Any two suited

I'm still wondering exactly what we need for things like offsuit connectors. No one's given me a decent answer. I've figured 9:1, but thats purely "feel", not math.

[spoonitnow]

5:1 Suited connectors
7:1 Suited one gappers
9:1 Any two suited

I'm still wondering exactly what we need for things like offsuit connectors. No one's given me a decent answer. I've figured 9:1, but thats purely "feel", not math.

Just curious as to how low you go with these requirements and how you come to that decision (comparing say 65s with T9s is what I mean by how low).

[euphoricism]

Dont particularly care much. Higher the better.