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    Default The Quest to Become a Poker Player

    Well, I am still trying to become one. But that’s what makes this game so great – the quest to become the best player possible.

    I thought I would record my experiences up to this point in order to hopefully help some others who are right behind me in their evolution as a player. I have read a very large portion of the posts in these forums, and have seen a lot of tremendous advice. I have also read some people’s experiences and have wondered to myself “why can’t I experience that too”, and other posts and thought “glad I didn’t do THAT!”

    First off, let me just say this. This site is the best thing that can happen to your poker game. I don’t even remember how I found it, but I am so glad I did. READ EVERY STICKY POST IN THESE FORUMS BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE. It will save you a load of stress, heartache, and false confidence. You need to understand things like bankroll management, the psychology of losing, and the newbie circle of death (all sticky posts in this forum.) You need to understand that it is foolish to blaze your own trail to success in this game. Why suffer through all the mistakes and bad moves and incorrect play, etc when someone else has already done that for you? Read up from the experienced ones, learn from THEIR mistakes and minimize your own. RE-READ the really good posts and strategy guides over and over and over again.

    You must apply everything you learn in increments. It’s too much to do all at once. Focus on particular areas of weakness or ignorance and get these things integrated into your game. Then re-read a post or two and work on the next thing you choose to improve on.

    Post hand histories and questions for the better players to help you out on. One thing I have noticed here is that you will not get berated or made fun of because you played a hand or play in general like a big ole guppy. They will help you out. Just humble your mighty self a little and be willing to listen and learn.

    I played poker on a site for almost a year for just play money. A whole year for play money. Imagine the bad habits, etc. I just could not see myself putting my hard earned money into a site to just lose it. That’s the way I thought. On Christmas of this year, I found myself with an extra $50 bucks of expendable money. I figured that it would make more sense to get a bunch of play online in penny poker games than to take that $50 down to a casino and blow it there in 3 hours.

    I have no heroic story from that point forward of how I built a $10,000 bankroll in 3 months. I also have no tragic story of how I blew the same $10,000 bankroll and am now starting over again – this time the right way. I took my measly $50 bucks and I grinded it out in micro limit 1c/2c games for a long time. I would take some winnings from that and play a 50c or $1 tournament. And I did this over and over again. My focus wasn’t to make money playing poker at this point, it was TO GET AN EDUCATION. (Let’s face it, you can go out and beg on the street and make more money than playing penny poker day and night.) My bankroll never dropped to under $35 at any time. When it did, I would tighten up and focus on small wins to build it back. I never play out of my comfort zone. Today I play a wider range of tourneys and ring games – but I still follow the bankroll rules posted here.

    I never went on extended tilt or on extended losing streaks. Every loss was an opportunity to learn. I never vent on anyone for playing badly, even when they suck out on me. I never beat my chest and scream “I am the greatest” either. I have become a very patient, even tempered player. This is the one thing and the only thing that I believe I can brag about – nothing else. I have LEARNED to become a VERY even tempered player. And I feel this is the basis that will allow me to continue to grow. I don’t think I’m great or all world just because I won a $3 Freezeout with 160 players in it. And I know I don’t suck just because I have a bad night. I am confident that I am always getting better, every day, little by little.

    And so now my $50 is worth $450. I got a free $10 to sign up on another site 3 weeks ago and that is now worth $180 and growing faster than the other $50 did for me. My wife is happy because I got 7 months of entertainment and some profits from that measly $50. Technically I am a winning poker player. My bankroll is steadily (and slowly) growing. As I move up in levels of ring games and tourneys the growth quickens up some. That's the way (right now) that I like it.

    Some day I may actually MAKE MONEY in the real sense of making money playing poker. Actually, I know that I will. But I am still getting my education, my degree in this game.

    And so the quest continues…….
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    Good post, sounds like you're on the right path. Have you looked up bonus whoring yet?
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    I never went on extended tilt or on extended losing streaks. Every loss was an opportunity to learn. I never vent on anyone for playing badly, even when they suck out on me. I never beat my chest and scream “I am the greatest” either.
    That was def something I had to get over these past few weeks.Great post.
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    Please tell me the secret of making $50 last for 3 hours at a Casino.
    Maybe playing nickel slots? $50 sounds like just one Black Jack hand to me. Of course I am just razzing you. Good Post.
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    POTD.

    You've got a great attitude MNMP2. Most people have a little luck at some point early in their poker career, start thinking they are the sh1t, and play over their heads, outside thier BR, too loosely and it goes downhill from there for awhile. At least that's the story I've read from many at FTR, and I would include myself.

    You are absolutely correct about education. When first starting out, it should be all about getting an education, NOT making money. As long as you learn and continue to read and study and improve, the money will come. Playing within your BR cannot be emphasized enough. If you ignore this advice you will almost certainly lose one BR, no matter how skilled you are. Listen and learn from the many good players here. If you can avoid even some of the beginner pitfalls, you'll be way ahead of the crowd and probably save some money to boot.

    If you're just skimming the posts, re-read MNMP2 again. There's a lot of good info there. I agree 100% except I'd say probably start playing micro-limits a little sooner. Won't learn much there.
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    Great post.

    Look like my vision NOW. I did lost a bit at the beginning, but then, after taking it back with bonus whoring, I did what you did, but I start with nothing playing free tournement given 0,10$ prize and grdually moving up. Discipline and patience, play within the bankroll (very important).
    Talking about temper is also a great point. Learning by losing a "big pot of 8.35$" help to not going on a tilt.

    Now I do exactly what you do, play for the pleasure, and maybe one day I will have a bankroll high enough to make decent money.

    Poker is fun.
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    Good post MNMP2. You and I are very similar. Similar in attitude and in evolution. You are ahead of me a bit since I have only been at this a couple of months. I play the 1c/2c tables and started with $50. I plan on staying at this level till I feel confident in my game and I am getting close to that point. Maybe I'll move in a week, maybe two. Depends on when I feel I am ready. The night before last I lost three buyins but felt I made the right decisions. Those don't bug me a bit. Reload and go again. The variance posts teach you that. Last night I lost two buy ins from two mistakes and I felt I made another mistake in folding the best hand...learning experiences. Someday, I'll have an extended period of time when I feel I am making the right decisions and that is when I'll move up. Even with all those losses my BR is still doing ok...around $95. Anyway, I just wanted to say good post and we will do ok as long as we keep the right attitude. This game can be brutal with the loses. Its what you do with those loses that matter...learn from it.
    Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
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    It seems that you have reached the best psychological mind set for a poker player. The 2 important things you have pointed out are good lessons for any poker player:

    1. I am always learning.
    This is good not only in poker, but in anything in life. As finite human beings we have a limited set of information and limited capacity to deal with that information ... there is always more to learn.
    2. Bad luck (bad beats) happens.
    Again, in poker, and in life, there is good fortune and bad, and we have little control over which we get. A serious poker player really should never tilt. Once you have the mind set that unless you have the nuts you might be beat, and you are OK with that, you shouldn't have a problem with tilt. Personally, I have the advantage of an extensive mathematical background ... this gives me the objective knowledge that no matter how good my hand is, if it is not the nuts, there is some probability that I am beat, and if that happens, well, that's what's gonna happen, because if there is a 1% chance you are going to be beat, then you are going to be beat some of the time, and it just might be this time. Say 'good hand' and get on with it. When you play a hand, forget what happened before (obviously not from the point of view of reading your opponents), and play it to the correct mathematical requirements of the situation. I have a habit of forgetting what I had preflop when I don't play a hand ... I just don't see a flop and think (man I folded my 83o and 2 8s flopped, I should have played that hand). Play the odds, and ignore everything else.
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    If only id done all that when i started.

    Great post, not just for the beginners either.
    Just one other thing. Even when playing for loose change, dont call to 'see' if you have the best hand. Raise with the best, fold the 2nd best.

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