Sometimes a set is no g00t

[Fnord]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with 6, 6.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Button raises, Fnord calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 5, 8, 4 (5 players)
Fnord checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6 (5 players)
Fnord checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, CO calls, Button folds, Fnord calls, UTG folds.

River: (8.50 BB) Q (3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 bets, CO calls, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

[Strung]

When would you consider calling this? only HU? Why did you call the turn when the 4 flush hit but folded the river to 1 bet?

I don't mind losing a set to a flush because you can usually see the flush and slow down the betting if you feel the guy is on the draw/possibly hit. What I HATE is set vs set. You jam the pot only to lose to a bigger set. I just lost a 44 vs JJ bout a 35ish BB pot.

[stuck]

When would you consider calling this? only HU? Why did you call the turn when the 4 flush hit but folded the river to 1 bet?

He has drawing odds for a full house. Set isn't good without the board pairing.

[Strung]

Set isn't good without the board pairing.

I'm assuming you're talking about his set vs the 4 flush on the board.

[poskid_1982]

Correct...Fnord has 10 outs to his boat or quads...with 2 players willing for action still in and the pot at it's current size the turn call is easy...You could possibly see a 3-bet or cap on the river if Fnord hits

Of course a 7s in someone's hand would ruin Fnord's day.

[Shark Bait]

Good point about the turn call. Enough outs to justify a call. I was starting to think the same way and wonder why call the turn bet with a gazillion cards that already beat you.

Interesting that you didn't bet, but I'm sure you figured that with that board someone was going to bet/raise. I assume you'd fold if CO or button had raised? Don't want to get caught in the middle of a raise war when trips are probably third best.

yes, the 7s would really ruin your day.

[Phyl]

Standard yo.

[LeFou]

Correct...Fnord has 10 outs to his boat or quads..

Let's not forget his out for a really interesting split:


which of course could mean a double bad beat jackpot if someone holds -- but i bet if you don't use ANY of yr hole cards they don't give you jackpots?

And yeh, strung the reason you call the turn is that you have a 1 in 6 chance of probably winning there. At the end you have exactly zero chance of winning any damn thing.