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Yet people take both seriously. It's baffling, but true.

They're kinda fun, but they're like edgelord memes in that way; people who don't take them seriously help propagate them, cuz it's all...

*presents evidence*

*has evidence refuted*

*stands by overall claim without addressing refutations*

sure, checks out.

Ong, this is sad. You've gone full Ong.

The guy is a fantastic troll. The logic he provides is circular-- They did this because that exists, that exists because they did this.

Also, you can...