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Yeah, I mean I think you've made some good points here Poop, but even still it's a poor referendum. The problem is status quo will always be one option, while the nuance of action will split the...

I think in the analogy, society is the fat fuck.

There are games in which learning from your mistakes is not an option. Considering these societies you want to put in the hands of the people so...

Yeah, this may be part of it-- however I am a fan of the "strong convictions loosely held" creed. Argue your points, but be capable of seeing their error and be ready to jump ship as soon as...

I agree wholeheartedly.



This is the issue. Being ignorant of the terms and concepts is fine. And intuitively overvaluing direct democracy makes sense. But you have ignored my point that...

You can call it whatever you want, but you're just making up value loaded terms to suit your purposes. Direct democracy is a form of democracy, one which has short comings. You're happy to use the...

Hey Ong, thanks for pointing me to Switzerland's direct democracy. It appears that it's the only country that has anywhere near that level of direct democracy, yet it is still a hybrid system with...

It's not, direct democracy is.

Again, you've misunderstood me. I agree that a referendum represents the will of the people, what I think you're misinterpreting is what the will of the people is, not whether they voiced their will.

You've completely missed my point. Having another referendum would be democratic. My point is that direct democracy is flawed. Representative democracy has clearly defined terms, and therefore the...

dipping back into "the will of the people":

Poop made a really good point that I want to reiterate. You guys over there are in a situation where direct democracy seems to be at odds with...

Look, I should say that I understand your point Ong. Having given the vote to the people, whether legally binding or not, it subverts a very important pillar of western civilization to not carry out...

It's asymmetrical. Imagine the referendum resulted in a remain win. When exactly would it be ok to have another vote? Because of this, it makes Ong's stance a assertion that leave is to have...

the QQ vs AK analogy is unworkably flawed. As far as the election goes we don't know which side had QQ and which side had AK, or if those were even the hands at play. Certainly most people thought...

1: Dwarfman is British.

2: I'm going to go ahead an uncede the point that Brexit, no matter how and at what cost is or ever was the will of the people. An analogous position would be to say that...

I think you have a good point about the problem of holding votes until the result you wanted is achieved. But I think this is a fundamental flaw in direct democracy, and David Cameron should...

I do have my own distinctions, but I'm on the fence as to whether or not they amount to a meaningful sum.

Status Quoism is not a convincing argument. Whether or not the UK being the UK is good...

Ong, I'm not trolling at all.

I think there is an interesting discussion to be had about what the ideal state looks like. Your claim that a European "super state" is a bad thing is a great...

You say A is bad. You seem happy with the status quo of B. B seems oddly similar to A in the ways in which you think A is bad.

This inspection of logic does not necessitate that Poop thinks A is...

P: So it's about size?

O: No, the EU and UK are fundamentally different because of their size.

Man, I wouldn't wish that pavement head bounce on anyone, butttttt it is super satisfying seeing that "I got this, I ride [a Harley]." guy get his comeuppance. So many people who have plenty of...

This is a good read, the last section, Role of the AG appears to be pretty important in how Barr should be viewed.

I've seen this in multiple places that this is a fairly extraordinary thing for...

Bone spurs.

lolwhatareyouevendoinghere?

Arguing with spoon's alt that is even trollier than his main account?

I think if Oprah runs, her run may suffer from being anointed before the primaries even have started just like Hilary suffered from the same. If her goal is just to become president, fine, roll the...

Oh, wuf, I was not aware of your telepathic abilities, please tell me more about Oprah's inner thoughts.

I can guess that you'll have some lame reply ready to go about how Trump had been making...