Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
Because it makes you wealthier. Your financial return on investment in an economy that serves the people is greater than one that doesn't. Not to mention your social 'return on investment' is astronomically improved in a society that provides for its people. All this garbage about "it's my money blah blah why should I be forced to blah blah" is nothing but propaganda hogwash perpetuated by the effective royal class who are lucky to be carried on the shoulders of the rest of the world. Deservedness is largely a false perception, and when it comes face to face with real world shit like economics, it falls flat

The next time you see a homeless bum on the street who lives on welfare, think to yourself that he has contributed more to society than the average Wall Street banker. And here's the crazy part, it's true. The return on the entire economy by this bum simply using food stamps is SUBSTANTIALLY higher than the mega mega mega mega wealthy guy who manipulates numbers and robs the economy of millions that he sucks out of the economy.

You know the supposed 5-6 trillion $ hole we're in right now? Well, ALL of that is entirely due to the people who 'earned' the most money and felt they didn't have to pay any of it back, and instead sucked it out of the economy. They send trillions overseas, trillions in their bank accounts earning interest, and trillions stolen from a squeezed labor force. The amount of money that the American taxpayers has paid in corporate welfare of the last two years is immensely higher than the amount of poor welfare we've paid over the entire history of our nation. In fact, the difference is so vast that they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Yet people are still raving against the Welfare Cadillac Queen fairy tale while unwittingly dropping off their debit cards at the nearest mansion. Don't be fooled when the source of the talking points that rail against social safety nets are the people who benefit the most from those safety nets not existing.

The way human society works is that the vast majority of the time, the people who do the least, make the most, and the people who do the most, make the least. Social safety nets and public programs are the one and only thing that keep you and me and everybody we know out of serfdom. When everybody gets together and pays for the basic needs of everybody else, none of us get left behind and we all move forward as a unit. Look to the most heavily taxed nations in the world and see that the people who live there are much better off. Then look to the lowest taxed nations and find that everybody except the ruling powers are living in shit

If I come off as curt or mean, I don't mean to be
This could be somewhat true, but it depends on your definition on what "contributed to society means." In your definition, it's clearly true. But in an absolute definition its pretty clearly false. How much money you make is directly correlated to the amount of value you provide to the people around you. The problem is people value pretty worthless and fucked up shit.

Look to the most heavily taxed nations in the world and see that the people who live there are much better off. Then look to the lowest taxed nations and find that everybody except the ruling powers are living in shit
This in no way means that heavy taxes means everyone is better off. There are a very very large amount of factors that would contribute to shitty living conditions for everyone but the ruling powers. Taxes certainly don't have everything, if much, to do with it.

The way human society works is that the vast majority of the time, the people who do the least, make the most, and the people who do the most, make the least.
What's your definition of "do"? This seems completely untrue to me unless "doing" is physical labor. Would you argue that Bill Gates hasn't "done" much?