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    Anyone ever do a low carb diet? Anything one should watch out for? What did everyone find most difficult?
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    Define low carb. There are a lot of different interpretations as to what that could mean. For example, based on my observation in the U.S., most people in most situations should eat less carbs. Most people would do well to replace their bagels, cereals, pastas etc. with meat (fish, eggs) and veggies for example. Does that necessarily mean going low carb? I don't think so, although a lot of people get that impression.

    Like any other reasonably complicated subject there are a ton of factors but my general approach is eating less carbs than the typical fat american, and more than the strict paleo folks. I find the latter too often to be weak, gaunt, and not very enjoyable. Somehow I managed to find a way to piss everybody off, which means I must be doing something right (kind of like in business where if neither side really likes a deal, it's probably in the neighborhood of fair.)
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    Ja I did one with help from jyms. I've fallen off the wagon massively the last few weeks with essay/exam stress etc but I've still lost 8 or 9 pounds since December with just two solid months of the diet.

    It's not too hard IMO, the main thing is getting it to be part of your routine. I can't remember the last time I ate rice or pasta, even when I have takeaways. Eat very little bread. Lots of salads and veg
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    IMO don't completely prohibit carbs, it just makes life suck too much. Prohibit pasta and rice since they are like 99% carb and 1% protein and generally dishes with pasta and rice are dominated by the pasta and rice. A good whole grain bread on the other hand actually has some protein and usually is only a couple hundred calories as part of your meal. When I was doing a low carb diet I would sate my carb urges with a daily bagel with lox and I lost a lot of weight.
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    Breads are so bad for you, it's not even funny.

    I'm currently on a low-carb diet and I doubt I'll ever look back. The only cravings I get are for pizza and I blame that on being from New York.

    Watch the movies Fathead and The Perfect Human Diet if you're interested in learning more about low-carb diets. I'll provide links to those two movies later. I'm running late to work.
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    hmmm i think i might try to watch both of those today
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    Breads are so bad for you, it's not even funny.

    I'm currently on a low-carb diet and I doubt I'll ever look back. The only cravings I get are for pizza and I blame that on being from New York.
    How can a Perspanic live without flatbreads?!?!

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    Reminds me of Wooderson.
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    half persian half hispanic?
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    half persian half hispanic?
    No, the carburetor. Keep up.
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    I am trying this for 30 days. Low carb being sub 25 grams per day. Since this isn't long term, i doubt ill cause serious damage even if its a bit unhealthy.

    I don't take vitiams but I feel that it might be needed since I generally eat a lot of fruit, which I now have to cut out.
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    The best shape I've ever been in was when I was using food combining in my diet. Mostly it's about not eating carbs and proteins together instead of going low carb all together. Mebbe check it out?
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    Vitamin C is a good supplement to take when low-carbing since you're not really getting it naturally on the diet.
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    I'd imagine it's harder for 1/10 people to cut fruit out of their diet but they'll have no problem getting protein supplements.

    On a similar topic: vegans can't swallow, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post

    On a similar topic: vegans can't swallow, right?
    That's only 5th level vegans. They also can't eat anything that casts a shadow.
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    Fruit is too awesome to leave out of any diet, IMO.

    I think people that view "diet" as a noun instead of a verb tend to be more successful.
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    Replace the fruit with the veggies and get more vitamins and minerals for less sugar and calories. The hardest part about low carb is dealing with every moron that has a story about how bad low carb is. Low carb is awesome, but take planned breaks. The first few days are rough then the next few weeks are easy because your learning new ways to eat and the pounds will be coming off. You will feel a lot better too if you have been eating shitty. If your pretty clean eating in the first place then you may not notice the difference as much like the clearing of brain fog.

    Yes take a multi or a vitamin supplement, everyone should take one for no other reason than they are cheap as hell and insurance. Sometimes when we are trying to lose weight and are cutting calories we tend to forget about vegetables and fruits instead of focusing on them. I would also take Vitamin C, but I take a ton. Fish oils too, take a ton of them whether your trying to gain weight or lose weight. Lastly, watch the fat intake on low carb, and what I mean is don't fear saturated fats in meats. Your trying to use fat as fuel so have it in your diet in solid sources of MUSF and Saturated. Your fat stores are almost 100% saturated fats, your body knows how to deal with them so don't cut fats. Eat Salads, big salads with Greek yogurt or cottage cheese instead of dressings.

    Lastly Boog, you should have asked. I make pizza 5 different ways to stop that craving and none of them have bread or flour. Look up Cauliflower pizza, Meatza or even see if you can find a way to make foccacia bread with flax seed and use that as a crust. Inverted shitaki mushrooms work pretty good too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy View Post
    I think people that view "diet" as a noun instead of a verb tend to be more successful.
    Ya, I think if you look at longer term and just decide when and how you should be not eating things makes it a better idea. For example, I don't eat carbs almost ever during the week but if I go out for dinner or someone makes dinner and it has carbs I just eat them. 95% of my meals now are 0 carb (by no carb I mean starches) but I do eat them on weekends when I am happier with my weight/shape. Learning to just have a flow or flex to your diet and be less on and off diets works great once your closer to your target. Nothing wrong with doing a full month or two strict diet after holidays or when you have been slacking, but don't think in terms of always on or off and things will go longer term and you will have a lot better success.

    And I always see guys in great shape like Swig telling us to eat fruit, but he's a machine and is always burning a shitload doing something. Us fat guys need less fruit and more veggies
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    I know all about the pizza substitutes. Being in Korea leaves me without an oven and in a small apartment. Pizza only knocks me out of keto for a few days and I get back in it quite quickly.
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    The science behind lower carb eating is really starting to emerge. I am a big proponent of eating low carb, especially on days you don't work out. Check out this site for some links to some studies on low-carb eating. http://www.dietdoctor.com/science
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Ya, I think if you look at longer term and just decide when and how you should be not eating things makes it a better idea. For example, I don't eat carbs almost ever during the week but if I go out for dinner or someone makes dinner and it has carbs I just eat them. 95% of my meals now are 0 carb (by no carb I mean starches) but I do eat them on weekends when I am happier with my weight/shape. Learning to just have a flow or flex to your diet and be less on and off diets works great once your closer to your target. Nothing wrong with doing a full month or two strict diet after holidays or when you have been slacking, but don't think in terms of always on or off and things will go longer term and you will have a lot better success.

    And I always see guys in great shape like Swig telling us to eat fruit, but he's a machine and is always burning a shitload doing something. Us fat guys need less fruit and more veggies
    Most people can fit some fruit into their diet. At the very least the brain needs some glucose to function, even in ketosis, and getting the glucose through extra protein via gluconeogenesis is a costly way to do that in more ways than one. So maybe that's 30-50g carbs a day right off the bat. Also I have noticed the occasional person who just don't function well in ketosis. Even after an adaptation period some people are just miserable, useless human beings in ketosis. For them maybe 100-125g carbs/day is a more appropriate minimum specifically to stay outside of ketosis. Personally I am lucky and function perfectly fine (in my opinion ) in either state.


    All high intensity and anaerobic activity is fueled pretty much exclusively with glucose. This tends to be a much lower number than people realize as it's easy to overestimate caloric expenditure, especially during activities like weightlifting. Even so it still bumps up the 50 or 100g minimum number described above. That's more than enough room for some fruit if you are avoiding starches.

    A lot of this comes down to goals as well. Carbs are pretty easy to adjust in order to manipulate bodyweight. Eat some potatoes, milk, fruit, and the occasional pizza and it's not that hard to gain 10 pounds over a couple months (starting from a lean state, hopefully.) Tighten it up and you're going to drop water weight and fat weight.

    I do wonder how the above stacks up specifically to what you wrote about 95% of your meals being 0 carb (though a lot of veggies do have some trace carbs and it can add up) but occasionally having a dinner with carbs and just eating them. That sounds kind of like an unplanned refeed of sorts, and I eat like that a lot of times. As carbs can be stored as glycogen, it would actually be more useful to evaluate on a weekly or even biweekly basis with that type of structure.
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    Also there are some lifestyles that are pretty much impossible to live while running a strict low carb diet. examples include doing physical labor for a living and various athletes. That doesn't apply to a lot of people though obviously.
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    FWIW lukie, as we have talked about in the past, I am not really focusing on low carb and refeeds and actually following a few different IF protocols again but I am getting about 50-100 gms a day on average, just not everyday..

    Your right about ketosis and such but a lot of research and problems in ketosis as far as workload or anaerobic work has usually come in the first few weeks while the body adapts to ketones for fuel. Quite a bit of research is now showing that using MCT oil or going even higher fat negates a lot of the issues with energy levels over brief periods as in a 45 min intense workout 3 times a week. But then again there are still a percentage of people that never seem to adapt to ketones.
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    First off how the hell are ya !luck? I haven't been on here in about a year sure miss the hell out of it.

    Hey as far as diets go don't think low carb think bad carbs. The best advise I can give you is study up on the Paleo diet it will change your life. It really has mine. I've been going by the paleo way for a year now. I've dropped 57 pounds my body fat % is really low although I've not checked it so I'm not going to throw a number out there. If you can combine the paleo diet with a good workout program like CrossFit you'll never look back.

    Here is a condensed version of paleo: Eat meets, vegetables, nuts seeds a little fruit no sugar!

    Then do constantly varied, functional movements at high intensity and you'll have it licked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    FWIW lukie, as we have talked about in the past, I am not really focusing on low carb and refeeds and actually following a few different IF protocols again but I am getting about 50-100 gms a day on average, just not everyday..

    Your right about ketosis and such but a lot of research and problems in ketosis as far as workload or anaerobic work has usually come in the first few weeks while the body adapts to ketones for fuel. Quite a bit of research is now showing that using MCT oil or going even higher fat negates a lot of the issues with energy levels over brief periods as in a 45 min intense workout 3 times a week. But then again there are still a percentage of people that never seem to adapt to ketones.
    these are good points. I enjoy reading your posts on diet/fitness because they are usually informative and helpful. Don't mind me if I nitpick too much... I can't help it
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    First off how the hell are ya !luck? I haven't been on here in about a year sure miss the hell out of it.

    Hey as far as diets go don't think low carb think bad carbs. The best advise I can give you is study up on the Paleo diet it will change your life. It really has mine. I've been going by the paleo way for a year now. I've dropped 57 pounds my body fat % is really low although I've not checked it so I'm not going to throw a number out there. If you can combine the paleo diet with a good workout program like CrossFit you'll never look back.

    Here is a condensed version of paleo: Eat meets, vegetables, nuts seeds a little fruit no sugar!

    Then do constantly varied, functional movements at high intensity and you'll have it licked!
    Yeah that type of eating is soooooo much better than the typical diet that a lot of people eat. I do think you can go too far into the clean territory, as is often the case where some people go to great lengths to avoid perfectly neutral foods like potatoes or a small amount of milk or fruit. Then again there is a certain amount of biasesness from me when I say that being young, train with heavy weights and don't want my bodyweight getting too low, pretty fast metabolism etc. For a lot of people the most important thing from both health and physique perspectives is to just lose the weight and how you accomplish that is often secondary in importance to just getting it done and keeping it off.

    edit: also there is something to be said for having the occasional cheat meal or small divergence from clean eating or paleo or whatever you want to call it. Personally I tend to do that at restaurants, parties, and other social gatherings. It's almost comical how many times I have gotten the whole 'wow you eat like that, you are so lucky/have great genes' or something to that effect. In any case it is helpful to know that you don't have to just eat meat, fish, eggs, fruit, nuts, dairy, lots and lots of veggies and nothing else the rest of your life.
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    There is a huge difference between the way someone should eat when they are healthy and working out, exercising intensly or working hard labour type jobs and people that have been eating horribly and are out of shape. Using more extreme dietary measures by eliminating whole food groups and adding large supplement dosages can go a long way in correcting things that are inhibiting people from getting into shape.

    YHes there are better ways to eat that include carbs/fats for most people. But to correct things like glucose tolerence, insulin insensitivity or even just fatigue you can do things with diet and supplements to help. If someone goes on low carb or some IF diet and drops 10-20 lbs in a couple weeks tehy will have better hunger control, a better idea of how to eat and feel motivated. Many people that have eaten horribly or are obese when you fist try and work with them have no idea how to eat if you take away their bread, pasta or rice. They think they will starve without heaping bowls of starch, so the first thing is to get them to find a couple weeks of blood sugar control through eating fat and proteins. Many people that have never had to lose 50-100lbs still think it's not that hard, jsut eat healthier but according to the Canadian food guide or USDA recomendations, your supposed to get 25 % of your food from grains and then another 25% as fruit, plus dairy???



    If you were to eat like this every meal, this is too much sugar and carbs for someone trying to lose weight. But this is the recommendations across the country
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    Great stuff guys. I am one of those people who had no idea how to eat without carbs. At the very least it forcing more knowledge on me. I may be taking on too much of a challenge since I'm also cutting out alcohol for the month. But, I feel I can be successful.

    Lastly, I'm not weighing myself during the month because I found it to be dangerous. Either because it makes me feel successful and cheat or depressed and give up. Was 169 (5'9), when I started this.

    HarleyGuy,
    Great job on your weight loss. I remember you doing coach to 5k. Are you running regularly now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
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    If you were to eat like this every meal, this is too much sugar and carbs for someone trying to lose weight. But this is the recommendations across the country
    Agreed.. do you remember this pyramid? It was pretty much standard when I was growing up anyway: http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...od_Pyramid.gif

    Terrible.

    Even now when I talk to my niece, there is so much candy, sweets, and treats in schools it's unbelievable. Every holiday, every birthday, every special occasion etc. they all get candy. Vending machines full of crap. Lunch is a bunch of processed crap. It's actually pretty sad. That is kind of getting into the obesity/childhood obesity epidemic and it's only going to get worse with people doing generally less activity and eating crappier and crappier food.
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    ~Luck, you're not even that bad where you started. Depends on body style somewhat, but if you just make some subtle changes with both increasing workout and cutting one or two "bad" things from your diet you will probably be healthy. (I forgot you mentioned quitting drinking, if you do that and the things I mentioned you will see a huge difference in a month and be pretty happy, just make sure to maintain some of the good habits you developed.)

    Lukie, I get the same thing with people commenting on what I eat. At work they think I'm crazy healthy, and my friends think I don't give a shit.

    Jyms, I accept your fruit eating complement. I guess my thought is if you're cutting fruit you are only left with lean meats and vegetables. As has been mentioned above, most people need to cut bad carbs and everything else will fall into place. I for one should/would need to drink less long before I worried about my fruit consumption.

    P.S. Going to train for a half marathon. Looking forward to gorging on carbs for a couple months.
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    i wouldnt be surprised to find out that fruit carbs aren't problematic
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i wouldnt be surprised to find out that fruit carbs aren't problematic
    They aren't in a normal healthy metabolism or diet. Not everything is about how they are stored. Most overweight/fat/obese people have issues with other things like food cravings, swinging blood sugars and even food induced cravings. Just the taste of something sweet like a diet cola or a mango can throw people into low blood sugar from the rush of insulin. Do you know that just looking at sweet food can make overweight people have an insulin pulse? Without actually getting carbs to shuttle to the fat stores insulin will lower what little blood sugar they had and induce a need for fast carbs to balance the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by !Luck View Post
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    Great job on your weight loss. I remember you doing coach to 5k. Are you running regularly now?
    Thanks I did run a 5k on my 50th birthday which was almost two years ago. As for now I am doing CrossFit 4-5 times a week. We run often during our workouts and my cardio is through the roof in comparison to what it used to be. I'm going to run another here soon just so I can compare my times which I have no doubt I'll crush my previous. I've never felt better than I do now even at 52 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    They aren't in a normal healthy metabolism or diet. Not everything is about how they are stored. Most overweight/fat/obese people have issues with other things like food cravings, swinging blood sugars and even food induced cravings. Just the taste of something sweet like a diet cola or a mango can throw people into low blood sugar from the rush of insulin. Do you know that just looking at sweet food can make overweight people have an insulin pulse? Without actually getting carbs to shuttle to the fat stores insulin will lower what little blood sugar they had and induce a need for fast carbs to balance the body.
    Well that is for people with preexisting conditions

    As for normal healthy people, I don't know one way or the other, but since fruit has been a part of our diet for millions of years, I wouldn't be surprised to find something important about it.
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    I did low carb diet awhile back. I lost almost 30lbs with a small amount of exercise at the same time.
    The biggest trouble I had was cutting out the fruit. But I ate so much bacon and cheese and steak I thought I was going to die from a heart attack. But damn I looked good!
    The other thing I found was I was tired for almost the first week doing it. It takes allot of preparation in planning your meals.

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    Saturated fat / cholesterol being bad for your circulatory system is a myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Saturated fat / cholesterol being bad for your circulatory system is a myth.
    thanks for backing this post up with all those insightful links and research. ffs, even when wuf posts something like this he atleast throws in a paragraph or 2 of explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bode View Post
    thanks for backing this post up with all those insightful links and research. ffs, even when wuf posts something like this he atleast throws in a paragraph or 2 of explanation.
    it's true.
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    It's pretty much standard knowledge now amongst anyone who cares about research in Diet and nutrition. The only people that don't know about it is the mainstream media and pretty much anyone who gets their information form them. Oh and Most General Practitioners who get their info from Pharmaceutical companies.

    If someone would like some info about Cholesterol, saturated fat, egg yolks and stuff you can ask but I don't want to run off topic in the low carb thread. Although a ton of the proven research has come from highfat/Low CHO or Ketogenic diets
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    Quote Originally Posted by bode View Post
    thanks for backing this post up with all those insightful links and research. ffs, even when wuf posts something like this he atleast throws in a paragraph or 2 of explanation.

    Also, there may be a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease but that doesn't prove causation. Statins lower cholesterol but don't lower the mortality rate of heart attack and stroke.

    Most studies concerning nutrition are funded by pharmaceutical countries which obviously creates a circle-jerk of studies promoting lower cholesterol. Studies showing cholesterol does not increase mortality rate are completely ignored.

    As heart disease rose in the 90s, saturated fat consumption was going down while people were using all those shitty vegetable oils. As a matter of fact, Asian Indians (most who are vegetarians) have one of the highest rates of heart disease in the world. Obviously fat isn't the problem there (the vegetable oils they use are). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490101/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8883493
    An increased prevalence of coronary heart disease in Asian Indian both from the native country and the immigrant population has been known for some time. With around 15,000,000 Asian Indians living outside India including 1,500,000 in the UK and 1,000,000 in the US, various pathogenic factors have attracted great interest in the recent past. Prevention strategies have been recommended based on these findings. Insulin resistance, central obesity and lipid abnormalities such as high triglyceride levels, low HDL levels and high lipoprotein(a) levels have been documented. This predisposition to accelerated atherosclerosis is genetically determined but is being enhanced by change in lifestyle, or 'westernization'. An increased prevalence of coronary heart disease because of these changes in lifestyle is seen in India itself, where differences are found between urban and rural populations. This tendency seems to be noticed early in life, and hence the need for early prevention strategies are discussed.
    Everything in bold here is caused by sugar (carb) intake.

    Also, men, eat your fat. It does wonders for testosterone levels.

    Sugars (carbs) are so bad for you. They're the cause of heart disease.

    People like swig need carbs due to his intense level of activity. If you lift, you're gonna need carbs. However, the amount of carbs most people consume is ridiculous. It's unnecessary and is the root cause of most of the health problems people face today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post

    Also, there may be a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease but that doesn't prove causation. Statins lower cholesterol but doesn't lower the mortality rate of heart attack and stroke.

    Most studies concerning nutrition are funded by pharmaceutical countries which obviously creates a circle-jerk of studies promoting lower cholesterol. Studies showing cholesterol does not increase mortality rate are completely ignored.

    As heart disease rose in the 90s, saturated fat consumption was going down while people were using all those shitty vegetable oils. As a matter of fact, Asian Indians (most who are vegetarians) have one of the highest rates of heart disease in the world. Obviously fat isn't the problem there (the vegetable oils they use are). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490101/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8883493
    An increased prevalence of coronary heart disease in Asian Indian both from the native country and the immigrant population has been known for some time. With around 15,000,000 Asian Indians living outside India including 1,500,000 in the UK and 1,000,000 in the US, various pathogenic factors have attracted great interest in the recent past. Prevention strategies have been recommended based on these findings. Insulin resistance, central obesity and lipid abnormalities such as high triglyceride levels, low HDL levels and high lipoprotein(a) levels have been documented. This predisposition to accelerated atherosclerosis is genetically determined but is being enhanced by change in lifestyle, or 'westernization'. An increased prevalence of coronary heart disease because of these changes in lifestyle is seen in India itself, where differences are found between urban and rural populations. This tendency seems to be noticed early in life, and hence the need for early prevention strategies are discussed.
    Everything in bold here is caused by sugar (carb) intake.

    Also, men, eat your fat. It does wonders for testosterone levels.

    Sugars (carbs) are so bad for you. They're the cause of heart disease.

    People like swig need carbs due to his intense level of activity. If you lift, you're gonna need carbs. However, the amount of carbs most people consume is ridiculous. It's unnecessary and is the root cause of most of the health problems people face today.
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    diet has to be balanced, without carb u won't have any energy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISillyDurrrAK View Post
    diet has to be balanced, without carb u won't have any energy
    Prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Also, there may be a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease but that doesn't prove causation. Statins lower cholesterol but don't lower the mortality rate of heart attack and stroke.

    Most studies concerning nutrition are funded by pharmaceutical countries which obviously creates a circle-jerk of studies promoting lower cholesterol. Studies showing cholesterol does not increase mortality rate are completely ignored.
    There's actually a clear correlation between statins and lower mortality rate:

    http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0048...scular-disease
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    I wouldn't call 18 out of 1000 people avoiding cardiovascular disease over 5 years by taking these drugs to be a clear correlation. The only sentence in the abstract that points to a lower mortality is this:
    All-cause mortality and fatal and non-fatal CVD events were reduced with the use of statins as was the need for revascularisation (the restoration of an adequate blood supply to the heart) by means of surgery (coronary artery bypass graft ) or by angioplasty (PTCA).
    I wish I could see the actual summary of the studies to understand how they reached this conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    I wouldn't call 18 out of 1000 people avoiding cardiovascular disease over 5 years by taking these drugs to be a clear correlation.
    Full quote:

    Of 1000 people treated with a statin for five years, 18 would avoid a major CVD event which compares well with other treatments used for preventing cardiovascular disease. Taking statins did not increase the risk of serious adverse effects such as cancer. Statins are likely to be cost-effective in primary prevention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Huh? THat avatar size thing is still in effect? You sure?


    Looks like you just changed yours no problem? Mine still get resized to 100x100pixels.
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    u starve for bread and sugar quick, hell ive done it and quit after 4 hours before.

    Best thing to do is drink 2 glasses of water when u wake up and before bed and after and before each meal
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    No no no no and no

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    how classy is it to say that someone who has worked in a gym and has posted quite a bit of nutritional information in the past and in this thread is " a skinny kid who thinks he's an expert".
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    u starve for bread and sugar quick, hell ive done it and quit after 4 hours before.

    Best thing to do is drink 2 glasses of water when u wake up and before bed and after and before each meal
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    Best thing to do is drink 2 glasses of water when u wake up and before bed and after and before each meal
    Bam, we found the key to weight loss. Thanks ttwarrior.

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    that advice is kinda outdated, you can substitute the two glasses of water for just one glass of diet mountain dew
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    Funny how some people just have no clue. I would love to hear how the freetroller explains what to do if eating 8 meals a day? What if the person is doing an ESE or IF protocol and only eats once? Does he account for differences in Aerobic or anaerobic training? Do you take into account the types of fruits, Vegetables or other liquids int he diet?

    I'd also like to hear his expert opinion on the size of these glasses and the BW and BF% of say a 105lb woman at 35%BF and a 425lb man at 65%BF drinking these same glasses of water? And lastly, what is the experts opinion on the over consumption of chlorine, fluoride and other impurities in tap water? Oh Bottled water you say? Maybe we should discuss BPA's then?
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