Operation STOP SUCKING AT POKER ! ! ! !

Originally Posted by Robb

I think the misconception most newbies have about 6max is that they need to "open up." Tight is still right, even with the blinds coming around 50% faster than FR. Let the fish open up and play too many hands. They spew so badly postflop that you can pwn them for a big win rate without increasing your ranges much, if at all.

LoL. Quoting myself, but I thought of something else. Even though we have to play the blinds 50% more often, we also get to play LP/CO/BTN once every three hands, too. So the blind spew is offset by the grand LP money-makers. All of it adds up to...stat TAGG - it'll work fine.

6max is almost schizophrenically positional, going from EP to LP in one hand. The fish don't change their style for the different seats, so you have TONS of positional leverage to use like a sledgehammer. Start swinging the sledgehammer more and more often from the button, and then add a few more hands to CO. I think you're agro enough you'll like the 6max game.

Didn't have much time to read Robb's post so not sure if he already said this but table selecting even at microstakes is very profitable, at least in 6 max. Watch TJ's video where he table selects. Basically what I use and works real well. Isolate the crap out of stations with good hands and just value town them incredibly.

Thanks guys.
Only thing you didnt say was how you mix the two up Robb.
Do you play just 6 max , then switch to FR or do you play them both at the same time? Im thinking of maybe playing FR one day and 6 max the next, or switching each session.
Kind of unimportant i guess.
On another note i actually had a decent session.
Even though it was 2NL 6 max.

Filly made some progress today.
Thanks to XTR and Muzz for sweating me for a bit today.
I finished up 3+ buy ins playing both FR and 6 max.
I started at 2NL and moved to 5 once i got it goin.
Didnt really do that much different. Which gives me a more positive outlook and makes me think that a lot of it could be varience.
Although one day does not make everything all better, it is a step in the right direction.

A hand i need help with.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...43.html#657843

Session 1.
Played a short 6 max session and finished up 3 Buy Ins in 600 hands.
I ran real good and didnt play too bad.

I played some heads up today and totally owned one guy.
Which was fun obv.
It was especially good beacause it was great for my confidense,
and got my session going in a good direction.
http://weaktight.com/131423
http://weaktight.com/131553

No reads on this guy, only 18 hands.
http://weaktight.com/131477

Opponent is 51/0/.89 in 61 hands.
http://weaktight.com/131548

http://weaktight.com/131549

EDIT:
Session 2.
Played another short session 329 hands, and up another 2 buy ins.
So up 5 buy ins for the day playing short handed.
Just what i needed.
Im running 16.5/12.4/3.4 so far but thats a very small sample size.
The short handed has been really fun and a good change of pace, but i want to make sure i dont neglect full ring. I would like to become a good player at both.

I also played in a feeroll satelite to the daily 50K. What a donkfest it is.
I busted out 1129 of 10 000. Im considering playing it on a semi regular basis as a bit of a change of pace and just a shot in the dark.
Even though it sucks, and i dont like tourneys, it would be nice to be able to cash in the Daily 50K.
Something to think about anyway.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Thanks guys.
Only thing you didnt say was how you mix the two up Robb.
Do you play just 6 max , then switch to FR or do you play them both at the same time? Im thinking of maybe playing FR one day and 6 max the next, or switching each session.

np

When I started, I was playing 6max NL10 exclusively. I was a solid winner at NL10 before I ever tried FR. When I did, I found it very profitable for about a month, but the fish became less prevalent at my sites. A quick glance at 6max showed why. The tables there were +15% VP$P almost over night. I chased the fish back over to 6max. All the while playing either one or the other for a session.

When I got proficient at multitabling (8+ 6max, 12+ FR) and was winning at both, I began multitabling both simultaneously. I liked the flexibility in thinking it encouraged. That lasted for a couple of weeks, until the fish settled on 6max and the nits at FR, so I was off to 6max for a long while.

So...the answer is that you can play both styles simultaneously, but I would only suggest it once you're a certain winner at both games. And I only play 1 limit at a time. The psychology making a "big" $2 bet at NL10 right after making a "small" $2 bet at NL25 is weird, and gets me all out of sync. But the psychology in making an aggressive cbet from the cutoff in 6max while folding the same cards in roughly the same situation at FR is fine. Just depends on how your brain tends work with the different decisions you have to make.

Finally, I would think you would do better at 6max with your "natural" game, since it's TAGG and well suited to the loose-loose-passive preflop nature of 6max together with it's half station/half agro postflop play.

PROP BET ! ! ! !
March 15th.
ME
VS.
PROZACH
First to $500
My roll: $226.89
Prozachs roll: $291.70
ODDS:
$20 to me if i win.
$15 to Prozach if he wins.
Stipulation: Loser doesnt pay unti he hits the $500 mark.
GOGOGOGO

Session 1.
Short Handed.
1180 hands, and down about $1.
Played decent but made a few dumb calls, that cost me some profit.

1.
Good fold???
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($4.08)
UTG+1 ($8.21)
CO ($1.13)
Hero ($10.73)
SB ($9.88)
BB ($4.40)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN
UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB raises to $0.15, UTG calls $0.1, UTG+1 calls $0.1, CO calls $0.1, Hero calls $0.1, SB calls $0.1

Flop: ($0.9, 6 players)
SB bets $0.75, BB calls $0.75, 2 folds, CO goes all-in $0.98, Hero calls $0.98, SB calls $0.23, BB calls $0.23

Turn: ($4.82, 4 players)
SB bets $3, BB goes all-in $3.27, Hero folds, SB calls $0.27

2.
Opponenets are unknown.
Any good reason to raise the river??
http://weaktight.com/131862

3.
This guy showed a bluff and i told him that hes my hero.
Then i owned him. PWWWWN.
http://weaktight.com/131872

EDIT:
Session 2 Short Handed
Played like 660 more hands, with some HU.
Basically played decent but lost a few AIs that hurt.
Finished just a little under Break Even for the day in 1700 or so hands.

4.
PWWWWWN.
http://weaktight.com/132026

Hand 1 is a good fold, standard but you probably should have gotten away on the flop. You really only beat an overpair, and while one of them probably has an overpair its very likely another has a set/ 56 or A5

Hand 1: I think I am usually either folding or shoving flop, I don't like calling because not much is going to improve you but there are cards to improve others. I am usually folding flop tho.
By the turn you are getting pretty decent odds to call, but yeah I think a fold is better.

Hand 2: I like raising pocket pairs pre. Usually I am gona fold here on river. Maybe bet flop with only one person left to act behind.

Hand 3: yay

Session 1.
Played 674 hands of FR and up 5 BIs.
This puts me at $250, which is enough for another shot at $10NL.
I think im gonna start with 6 max though.

Give 'em hell, Wes

Well that was fun.
Back down to $200, and 5NL.
Couldnt get anything going, got sucked out on a few times,
and tilted off a couple BIs. Oh well, no big deal.
I suck.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Well that was fun.
Back down to $200, and 5NL.
Couldnt get anything going, got sucked out on a few times,
and tilted off a couple BIs. Oh well, no big deal.
I suck.

Don't tilt you are better than that.

Try switching up your style, loosen up or tighten up and concentrate on playing that different style to take your mind off beats.

After sweating you for a little bit and then playing with you for a little bit you play fine but you need to loosen up a little, not a lot but a little.
9/7 is just begging for someone to pay attention to play back at you cause its blatantly obvious what you have.

Originally Posted by Bbickes

After sweating you for a little bit and then playing with you for a little bit you play fine but you need to loosen up a little, not a lot but a little.
9/7 is just begging for someone to pay attention to play back at you cause its blatantly obvious what you have.

Very good point.
I really tightened up after things started going downhill.
Although some of it (at the table u were at) was due to the fact that the guy to my left was a sick station and was snap calling every one of my raises.
Today i ran about 16/11/3 in 6 max.
So id like to raise more too.
Overall at 6 max im about 16/12/3.5
Thanks bbickes, i appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bbickes

After sweating you for a little bit and then playing with you for a little bit you play fine but you need to loosen up a little, not a lot but a little.
9/7 is just begging for someone to pay attention to play back at you cause its blatantly obvious what you have.

I actually disagree with you on this point, at 10nl over last 3k(small smaple yes) I have run ~8/5 and not noticed players playing different against me.

Originally Posted by Bbickes

9/7 is just begging for someone to pay attention to play back at you cause its blatantly obvious what you have.

image is less important than you think, even at 50nl. Few players distinguish between 15-10/12-8/8-5....

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by Bbickes

9/7 is just begging for someone to pay attention to play back at you cause its blatantly obvious what you have.

image is less important than you think, even at 50nl. Few players distinguish between 15-10/12-8/8-5....

regardless of your image I believe we´re missing a fuckton of value IP playing that tight vs guys who suck so bad postflop.

Played both 6 max and FR today and im up 5BIs for the day.
That puts me at $238.42.
Almost enough for another shot.
Im actually thinking about starting tomorrow at $10NL even though im $11 under.
I dont really like moving up based on a number,
but i think if i can not make dumb calls and run ok ill do well at 10NL.
The problem is that i havent done either in my 2 shots.

I like this attitude, wes, as long as you keep the strict stop-loss in place. You know you can pwn 5nl for some BI when needed. If you feel confident about what needs to happen at 10nl, then make your move. I've been strugglin' a bit with life and 25nl, myself. I think its easy to forget we're all noobies learnin' this game, and we all have doubts and downswings. You're there man, just waiting for the results to catch up to ya. Good luck!!

Today went well.
I moved up to $10NL and went from to $239 from $276.
I feel like i played well and ran decent at the same time.
Also i was able to lay down a few hands that i would have called in the past. I think it saved me some money.
It was fairly obvious that i was beat,
but i didnt allow myself to justify a call.
Also i put more effort into concentrating on each hand.
Taking it one hand at a time and forgetting the past is something
i need to work on.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Today went well.
I moved up to $10NL and went from to $239 from $276.
I feel like i played well and ran decent at the same time.
Also i was able to lay down a few hands that i would have called in the past. I think it saved me some money.
It was fairly obvious that i was beat,
but i didnt allow myself to justify a call.
Also i put more effort into concentrating on each hand.
Taking it one hand at a time and forgetting the past is something
i need to work on.

Nice job, wes!! I guess watching me play NL25 really helped you out! LoL. It's nice to see you hit the positive side of variance for once at 10nl, and reap the rewards of playin' solid. Keep it up, and we'll be at 25nl together. I'm having some issues there, but I am playing well and my confidence is high. Just gotta keep grinding. Good job and good luck!!

Dropped 2 BIs yesterday after starting the day up a BI.
But i didnt start to spew, which was good.

Today session 1
Up 1 BI to $266.
Button was 78/0/1.
No stats on the BB.
http://weaktight.com/137200

Originally Posted by wesrman

Button was 78/0/1.
No stats on the BB.
http://weaktight.com/137200

vnh

I think this is one of the big differences between 10nl and 25nl. Even the fish tend not to spew too much with big turn/river bluffs. Nice call down. Less worrisome against 78/0 than the broadway cards are the two dueces. LoL.

Stove results for the turn against his open/limp range:

Board: Jd Ah Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.757% 23.36% 01.40% 185913 11142.00 {Lots of crap}
Hand 1: 75.243% 73.84% 01.40% 587763 11142.00 { QdQs }

Of course, he probably doesn't call a raise with EVERY hand he limps, but he doesn't mind getting the chips in on crap.

EDIT: sorry, the stove is for the flop, not turn.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Dropped 2 BIs yesterday after starting the day up a BI.
But i didnt start to spew, which was good.

Today session 1
Up 1 BI to $266.
Button was 78/0/1.
No stats on the BB.
http://weaktight.com/137200

Just out of curiousity what was your thought process for this hand?

Congrats on 10NL again.

Opponent(BUTTON) was 78/0/1.
I cant explain all of the action at the table now.
It was based on how bad he was basically. The whole table was bad.
There were 2 callers at least in every hand and they seem to call a bet or two no matter what.
He had shown down with garbage before a few times and we had a little bit of a battle going on. He thought i was weak because i folded a bunch of times to his bullshit.
Basically he lead me to believe that he wouldnt ever fold to anything and was capable of this kind of bluff with air or bottom pair.
Most hands went like this:
player one raises, he calls
player one bets flop, he calls
player one checks turn,he bets large ,player one folds
Some of this may be irrelevant, and i know under most circumstances its played bad but i thought it was a perfect spot for him to bluff.
And once the BB folded (who was the guy i was more worried about/although i thought his weak ass turn bet was just a stab to take down the pot) i thought i had him.
It seemed unlikely that hes shoving an ace there.
Theres so much that i beat in his range, that ever folding to him seems like a mistake..lol. Especially because hes only 50 BB deep. So it doesnt cost me that much if im wrong, and gives me information for the future.
If he has the nuts, im sure he value bets cuz he knows i can make laydowns and this kind of bet is sure to get me to fold.
Without a read that he shoves with a big hand, i think it looks like a bluff.

Hopefully this is coherrant...lol
Im really tired and drugged up on allergy pills.
If you ask specific questions K, i might be able to answer them better.
Feel free to pick this apart. I will be.
Thanks for taking an interest anyway.

Heres the hand just incase.
Button was 78/0/1.
No stats on the BB.
http://weaktight.com/137200

Back down to $235.
Wow, i cant seem to get anything going.
Its like everyone can see my cards.
When i get a hand i either get no action or this happens.
http://weaktight.com/137923

Trying to be patient and play well, but im thinking about dropping back down again. I really think that i only win money when i run good and people spew at me. AND ITS SOOOO RARE THAT I DONT RUN LIKE FUCKING DOG SHIT.

http://weaktight.com/137919
http://weaktight.com/137870

Nice analysis. I agreed wtih your line, just wanted to hear your reasonings.

Last 3 hands suck as you already know. Not much I can say except keep playing because you will make a lot of money on those hands in the long run.

Ya i posted them cuz im a baby.
I cant seem to not get brutally unlucky when i move up.
I dont know what to do really.
Its too soon to move down,
but if i dont it will take way more time to build back up.
Idk. Gonna go do some cardio and clear my head.

relax~!

I relaxed.
Came back played another 300 hands.
Played well, then got it all in with QQ and ran into KK.
$15 more down the toilet.
I HAVE TO STOP GETTING IT ALL IN PRE FLOP WITH QQ
and to a lesser extent KK.
Its killing me.
Sickest part is that i wouldnt have gotten away from it anyway cuz the flop came KQX.
Set over set.
$224.
Back to 5NL.

Gonna eat and then play 5NL after dinner.
Im not gonna move up to 10NL until i get to $275 at least, maybe $300 or more. I have to get better at poker so when i get unlucky it doesnt cost me all of my winnings.
Also im forfeiting my prop bet with Prozach.
I will pay when i hit $500, but ive got to stop pressuring myself to move up. Its not helping at all.

Originally Posted by wesrman

$224.
Back to 5NL.
Im not gonna move up to 10NL until i get to $275 at least, maybe $300 or more. I have to get better at poker so when i get unlucky it doesnt cost me all of my winnings.
Also im forfeiting my prop bet with Prozach.

don't forfeit, but forget about it until it's called in. Who knows? you could end up there soon - but definitely don't let the prop bet affect your play!

I suggest moving up again when you get to $265, and be prepared to drop to $225 before you give up. And I'm a bankroll nit. Maybe buyin with $8 until you grind it to $300. That gives you five buyins up your sleeve, and enough of a stack to play poker.

as for getting unlucky costing all of your winnings - that's the cool part of playing smart relative to bankroll, you're doing good.

Those are good points.
I think i should probably stick to my $200 drop down strategy this time though. Its a cop out to drop down now i think. I have 2 1/2 more buy ins to lose before i HAVE to drop down, and theres no saying that i wont win some and not have to.
However, if i hit the $200 mark i will force myself to have $275-$300 before i move up next time.
The problem is that i need more room to run bad before having to move down. 5 buy ins isnt that horrible of a run, and i seem to get down that much quite a bit, before turning it around.
Also i feel that the not shoving with QQ pre flop should help a lot.
So ill continue at 10 for tonight (or until i hit $200) and see how it goes.

I need to learn to controll my emotions better.
I feel like i play good all day and then i get a few hands that put me in the hole. At least i took a break each time and didnt tilt off a bunch of money...lol.
So i write in here how im feeling so i can look back at it and get a better percpective on whats going on. Sorry if im a whiner, but i really want to improve and sometimes i put too much pressure on myself instead of just playing.

I droped 4 buyins in 200 hands a night ago, it was fun.

It happens just keep positive.

LOL, that went badly and i ended up tilting off another buy in after getting raped again.

$195 again.
Im gonna have to figure some shit out.
Cuz what ever im doing isnt working.
Maybe i need a break.
Ive even considered starting from scratch again at 2NL with $50.
Thats probably too drastic, and i doubt i would learn much at 2NL that i cant learn at 5NL.
So ill go with my plan of grinding 5NL until i get to between $275 and $300 at least. Ill decide when to move up based on how im doing. This will give me more of a cushion incase things dont go well.
Which is what i should have been doing in the first place.
ldo

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by Josh Waitzkin

One day, when I was 18 or 19 years old I was walking on 33rd street and Broadway in NYC to teach one of my chess classes to my team at PS 116. Every one who has grown up in Manhattan knows that it is important to look both ways before crossing the street--cars run lights and bicyclists often ride the wrong way down a one way street--admittedly, I have been guilty of the latter. To survive in the city one mustn't blindly leave his fate to the traffic light gods. So I was waiting for the light, thinking about the ideas that I would soon be discussing with my students, when I noticed that a woman wearing headphones had walked right into oncoming traffic and was completely oblivious to the chaotic street that she was crossing. Just then, as she looked right, a bicycle bore down on her from the left. The biker lurched away at the last second, but still gave her a harmless bump. This was a critical moment in the woman's life. She had a near miss and could easily have walked away unscathed if she had just stepped back onto the pavement--but instead she turned to the fading bicyclist and cursed his impudence. There she was, standing with her back to the traffic on 33rd and Broadway screaming at the back of a biker who just performed a miracle to avoid smashing into her. If that moment could be frozen in time it would be a terrifying image for us all to weep over and learn from. A taxi cab was the next to speed onto the scene--the woman was struck from behind and sent reeling 10 feet into the air. She smashed into a lamp post and was knocked out and bleeding badly. The ambulance and police came and eventually I walked on to PS 116 only hoping that she might survive.

Regaining presence and clarity of mind after making a serious error is a struggle for all competitors and performers. Great stage actors often miss a line but improvise their way back on track. The audience rarely notices because of the perfect ease with which the performer glides back from troubled waters into the tranquility of the script. What is more, the truly great ones can make the moment work for them--heightening their performance with improvisations that throb with immediacy and life. Cellists, violinists, chess players, actors, basketball players, and countless others all understand that brilliant performances are often born of small errors. The problems set in if the performer has a relationship to his or her art which has a brittle dependence on the safety of absolute perfection or duplication. Then an error shatters the glass menagerie and some clouded state of detachment haunts the decision making process.

Our vision gets cloudier as the position gets further away from us--and we make mistakes that are far beneath our level. Sometimes all a player needs is a bucket of cold water over the head--something to wake us from the lethargic resignation to our emotional swings. With practice and introspective attentiveness, we can learn to be our own cold water.

Thoughts?

2NL is far to drastic.

Drop back to 5NL, plug some leaks and youll be fine.
The most important tool in microstakes is discipline.

Originally Posted by wesrman

LOL, that went badly and i ended up tilting off another buy in after getting raped again.

$195 again.
Im gonna have to figure some shit out.
Cuz what ever im doing isnt working.
Maybe i need a break.
Ive even considered starting from scratch again at 2NL with $50.
Thats probably too drastic, and i doubt i would learn much at 2NL that i cant learn at 5NL.
So ill go with my plan of grinding 5NL until i get to between $275 and $300 at least. Ill decide when to move up based on how im doing. This will give me more of a cushion incase things dont go well.
Which is what i should have been doing in the first place.
ldo

Are you changing the way you're playing when you move up? Are you reacting badly to downswings, or just donking off buyins and then freaking out about it?

We don't want to make 10NL some kind of mental block, which I'm thinking it may be turning into with the way you have been talking. If you think it's because you're just tilting off BIs here, there and everywhere (I have sessions where I do that too) then do you believe in yourself enough to know you'll get them back or do you feel like you end up chasing your tail? Or worse, pushing a session too hard in the hopes of "breaking even"?

You may need to over roll yourself for 10nl so that you can mentally ignore any losses.

Originally Posted by Andrew

Are you changing the way you're playing when you move up? Are you reacting badly to downswings, or just donking off buyins and then freaking out about it?

I feel like im playing the same, but running worse. I have plugged a leak or two so hopefully that helps. Look at the hands above. They all happened one after another and basically ruined all of my hard work, not to mention a decently played session. It seems like everytime i get it in good i get fucked. I am going to over roll myself so i have more time to battle through the varience when it happens.
This isnt to say that i havent killed myself, because i have. But after a while i just got so frustrated at how bad i ran that i tilted off like one or two buy ins. By that point i was allready basically forced to move back down.
Meh, its all just a learning experience. Im gonna keep working on my game until i can beat 10NL. I assume that this kind of thing will happen every time i try to move up. I see Robb going through some of the same things moving up to 25NL, which makes me feel a ittle better. (not to see him struggle, but to know that im not the only one).

Finished today up 4 buy ins and well on my way back to $10NL.
I will probably play another 2 hour session in an hour and be done for the night.

I don't know if this'll help but what I do sometimes is boot up PokerStove and actually plug in the hands that have kicked me in the bollocks. I work my way through each street to just show my tilting brain exactly how ahead I was. This focuses me on the long term in regards to how I played and how much I should want to be in that situation again and again.

If you're not ready to lose with Aces 20% of the time, you'll be in trouble mentally before too long.

i'll pm u

Lol, im fine. Im just too emotional and learning to controll my emotions is a HUGE part of the process of learning poker. I post my honest emotions here so i can look back and learn from it. Poker takes hard work and determination and learning these skills is what is going to make me a good player. I just have to remember that The Journey Is As Important As The destination. If i didnt have struggles i probably wouldnt learn as much and improving is whats important. If i improve, the money will follow.

Originally Posted by Andrew

I don't know if this'll help but what I do sometimes is boot up PokerStove and actually plug in the hands that have kicked me in the bollocks. I work my way through each street

This is something i dont do enough. From now on im gonna start going through my hands with Poker Stove more often. Not just with "hands that have kicked me in the bollucks"...lol, but with all kinds of hands. It will help me see how well im playing and improve my ability to put people on a range.
Thanks Andrew.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Originally Posted by Andrew

I don't know if this'll help but what I do sometimes is boot up PokerStove and actually plug in the hands that have kicked me in the bollocks. I work my way through each street

This is something i dont do enough. From now on im gonna start going through my hands with Poker Stove more often. Not just with "hands that have kicked me in the bollucks"...lol, but with all kinds of hands. It will help me see how well im playing and improve my ability to put people on a range.
Thanks Andrew.

Anytime, and yeah it works for all hands. I also use it when I think I've had a bad beat only to learn that the %s where really a lot closer than I thought. It's really something good to do.

WOW, i played a small session of Stud and Stud 8 today with XTR and i forgot how much i enjoy it. Originally my plan was to play both nlhe and stud 8 to build my roll, but i realized that im so bad at nlhe that i needed to concentrate on it for a while. Im still horrible, but i think im on my way to becoming decent (i hope). So im gonna start mixing in some Stud and Stud 8 again. Im hoping it will give me a fresh take on poker, and since i enjoy it the most, will make it more fun for me. I seem to do well in it so i hope it will boost my bankroll too.
I feel like Stud 8 is my best game and i can do ok at it while still learning NLHE. Ill start at .10/.20 for Stud 8 and progress slowly back up to .25/.50 (where i was before) and beyond. For Stud hi im going to start at .04/.08 since i havent put as much time into it.

Up a few more buy ins from my 5NLHE session today and $5 from my Stud session (.04/.08). So im at $242 right now and im going to play another few hours tonight. Probably Stud.[/b]

NLHE
1600 hands and down a buy in or two.
Should i c/r this river or is betting out ok???
http://weaktight.com/142711

I play bad..lol. What line should i have taken??
http://weaktight.com/142718

Stud 8
Scoooooooooop.
PokerStars Game #16275574416: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.10/$0.20) - 2008/03/26 - 20:59:15 (ET)
Table 'Gelria IV' 8-max
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to DrDave6 [8]
Dealt to whisky 2010 [4]
Dealt to denny125 [3]
Dealt to wesrman [A 6 4]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K]
Dealt to WTxJack [5]
Dealt to Farukter [6]
Dealt to bubbasway12 [Q]
denny125: brings in for $0.05
wesrman: raises $0.05 to $0.10
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.10
WTxJack: folds
Farukter: calls $0.10
bubbasway12: folds
DrDave6: folds
whisky 2010: calls $0.10
denny125: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to whisky 2010 [4] [9]
Dealt to wesrman [A 6 4] [5]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K] [5]
Dealt to Farukter [6] [T]
denny125 is sitting out
TaLkHoUsE: checks
Farukter: checks
whisky 2010: checks
wesrman: bets $0.10
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.10
Farukter: calls $0.10
whisky 2010: calls $0.10
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to whisky 2010 [4 9] [7]
Dealt to wesrman [A 6 4 5] [A]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K 5] [K]
Dealt to Farukter [6 T] [6]
TaLkHoUsE: bets $0.20
Farukter: folds
whisky 2010: folds
wesrman: raises $0.20 to $0.40
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.20
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to wesrman [A 6 4 5 A] [4]
Dealt to TaLkHoUsE [K 5 K] [2]
TaLkHoUsE: checks
wesrman: bets $0.20
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.20
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to wesrman [A 6 4 5 A 4] [3]
TaLkHoUsE: checks
wesrman: bets $0.20
TaLkHoUsE: calls $0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wesrman: shows [A 6 4 5 A 4 3] (HI: two pair, Aces and Fours; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)
TaLkHoUsE: mucks hand
wesrman collected $1.25 from pot
wesrman collected $1.24 from pot
TaLkHoUsE said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.61 | Rake $0.12
Seat 1: DrDave6 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: whisky 2010 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 3: denny125 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 4: wesrman showed [A 6 4 5 A 4 3] and won ($2.49) with HI: two pair, Aces and Fours; LO: 6,5,4,3,A
Seat 5: TaLkHoUsE mucked [A 7 K 5 K 2 6]
Seat 6: WTxJack folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Farukter folded on the 5th Street
Seat 8: bubbasway12 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

NLHE hands.

1) I would just lead out $1.5-$2 unless I have a read that he vbets fairly wide on the river.Problem with c/r is he is likely to bet something lame like $0.8 then fold to your raise when he would have called a psb in the first place.

2) Raise pre you don't want 4-way with your jacks and there's a nice load of money out there. As played raise flop more (always remember to look at the size of the pot not opps bet, your raise gave really good odds for a FD.) then with the d out you have to shove the turn. On a non-d turn I might find a c/f depending on opp, but then I'd never be in this situation since it's sucha clear raise pre.

Thanks Badgers, good stuff.

Hand 1. Thanks, i never seem to get value either way..lol.

Hand 2. I know it was a retard move by just calling pre flop. I just posted it to show myself how bad i play. But i like the advice about raising according to the pot as apposed to his bet. How much should i raise there?

1) Standard
2) Like I mentioned in another thread, do not be insulted when I say.... At this level. Because At this level, the average player is a donkey compared to the average level above it. Anyways, At this level, I'm stacking off with TPTK in this situation. One day you'll need to fold in this spot.

Maybe I'm wrong and underestimating players at this level these days.... maybe they have a better hand most of the time in these spots. You'd know better than I would. Do they? If so or if not, this decision should be easy.

Originally Posted by badgers

NLHE hands

2) Raise pre you don't want 4-way with your jacks and there's a nice load of money out there. As played raise flop more (always remember to look at the size of the pot not opps bet, your raise gave really good odds for a FD.) then with the d out you have to shove the turn. On a non-d turn I might find a c/f depending on opp, but then I'd never be in this situation since it's sucha clear raise pre.

Yeah, I think a squeeze here is STD. I think we probably go broke if villain just calls us down. If he 4-bets we can get away, but on a 9 high flop wwith the FD I can't see us foldning often.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Hand 2. How much should i raise there?

I would raise to something like $1.20 there, which would give him 2:1 odds. For this to be profitable he needs you to call a $3 bet on average after the FD comes in, which is unlikely to be profitable for him to call, hooray. You need to make your opps make mistakes.

Straight Flush.
7 Card Stud High ($0.10/$0.20), Ante $0.02, Bring-In $0.05 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K ___folds
Seat 3: xx xx K ___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 5 ___brings-in
Seat 6: xx xx 7 ___calls
Hero: 2 A 5 ___calls

4th Street - (2.50 SB)


Seat 4: xx xx 5 T ___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 ___checks___calls
Hero: 2 A 5 4 ___bets

5th Street - (3.25 BB)

Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 4 ___checks___calls
Hero: 2 A 5 4 A ___bets

6th Street - (5.25 BB)

Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 4 2 ___checks___calls
Hero: 2 A 5 4 A 9 ___bets

River - (7.25 BB)

Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 4 2 xx ___bets___raises___calls
Hero: 2 A 5 4 A 9 3 ___raises___raises

Total pot: (15.25 BB)

Seat 6: sabaarie mucked [Js 3s 7d 7s 4h 2s 5s]

7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9 ___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 3 ___calls
Hero: J T Q ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2 ___brings-in
Seat 7: xx xx 8 ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 3 ___folds

4th Street - (2.40 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 3 7 ___checks
Hero: J T Q 2 ___checks
Seat 6: xx xx 2 4 ___checks

5th Street - (1.20 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 3 7 4 ___folds
Hero: J T Q 2 9 ___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2 4 Q ___bets

6th Street - (3.20 BB)

Hero: J T Q 2 9 8 ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2 4 Q Q ___bets

River - (5.20 BB)

Hero: J T Q 2 9 8 5 ___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 2 4 Q Q xx ___checks___calls

Total pot: (7.20 BB)

Don't understand stud but why didn't you raise 6th?

Originally Posted by badgers

Don't understand stud but why didn't you raise 6th?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
EXACTLY ! ! ! !

EDIT: By exactly i mean i should have raised 6th.

I cant get enough Stud, and the break from holdem has really helped my motivation and tilt controll. Also i think i have found a casino near by that has 7 Card Stud. Which is great news for me.

Stud Hands
Im an aggro monkey.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2368055

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2367835

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2368419

7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 6 ___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2 ___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx A ___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9 ___raises___calls
Hero: K K K ___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 3 ___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2 ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx Q ___folds

4th Street - (8.00 SB)
Seat 4: xx xx 9 K ___checks___calls
Hero: K K K 8 ___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 2 Q ___calls

5th Street - (5.50 BB)
Seat 4: xx xx 9 K 8 ___checks___calls
Hero: K K K 8 5 ___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 2 Q 6 ___calls

6th Street - (8.50 BB)
Seat 4: xx xx 9 K 8 5 ___calls___calls
Hero: K K K 8 5 8 ___raises
Seat 7: xx xx 2 Q 6 Q ___bets___calls

River - (14.50 BB)
Seat 4: xx xx 9 K 8 5 xx ___folds
Hero: K K K 8 5 8 A ___raises
Seat 7: xx xx 2 Q 6 Q xx ___bets___calls

Total pot: (18.50 BB)

Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $9.25 | Rake $0.40

Hero: [Kc Kd Ks 8c 5s 8h As] (a full house, Kings full of Eights)

Seat 7: [9s 9d 2s Qs 6c Qh 3d]

[/color]

I finally mixed in a few hands of 5NL tonight. Not many hands but it went well. I have cut back on the tables im playing and have concentrated on PAYING ATTENTION and BEING PATIENT. Playing stud has made me realize how important it is to concentrate even when im not in a hand. So i am 1 tabling .25/.50 Stud and 5NL (sometimes at the same time).

I play so bad.

NLHE Hands:
1.
http://weaktight.com/153147
2.
http://weaktight.com/153151

Stud hands:
1.
7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)
3rd Street - (1.60 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 ___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 8 ___calls
Seat 3: xx xx K ___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A ___calls
Seat 5: xx xx T ___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 8 ___folds
Hero: K Q 2 ___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx 6 ___folds

4th Street - (3.60 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 Q ___checks
Seat 2: xx xx 8 9 ___checks
Seat 3: xx xx K 9 ___checks
Seat 4: xx xx A J ___checks
Hero: K Q 2 6 ___checks

5th Street - (1.80 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 Q 5 ___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 8 9 6 ___calls
Seat 3: xx xx K 9 7 ___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A J 7 ___checks___folds
Hero: K Q 2 6 Q ___bets

6th Street - (5.80 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 Q 5 Q ___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 8 9 6 4 ___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx K 9 7 4 ___checks___folds
Hero: K Q 2 6 Q K ___bets

River - (8.80 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 Q 5 Q xx ___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 8 9 6 4 xx ___checks___folds
Hero: K Q 2 6 Q K A ___bets

Total pot: (10.80 BB)
Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $5.40 | Rake $0.25
Seat 1: [2d 8d 3d Qh 5d Qc 2s]
Hero: [Kh Qs 2h 6c Qd Kd Ah] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
[/color]


2.
7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)
3rd Street - (1.40 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx T ___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6 ___brings-in___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9 ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx K ___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 7 ___folds
Hero: 4 4 A ___raises
Seat 8: xx xx Q ___calls

4th Street - (4.80 SB)
Seat 5: xx xx K T ___calls
Hero: 4 4 A 4 ___bets
Seat 8: xx xx Q 5 ___calls

5th Street - (3.90 BB)
Seat 5: xx xx K T J ___calls
Hero: 4 4 A 4 5 ___bets
Seat 8: xx xx Q 5 J ___calls

6th Street - (6.90 BB)
Seat 5: xx xx K T J 2 ___calls
Hero: 4 4 A 4 5 6 ___bets
Seat 8: xx xx Q 5 J 9 ___calls

River - (9.90 BB)
Seat 5: xx xx K T J 2 xx ___folds
Hero: 4 4 A 4 5 6 7 ___bets
Seat 8: xx xx Q 5 J 9 xx ___calls

Total pot: (11.90 BB)
Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $5.95 | Rake $0.25
Hero: [4c 4s Ah 4d 5h 6c 7d] (three of a kind, Fours)
[/color]

7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

Hero: $25.90
Seat 3: $12.15
Seat 4: $10.70
Seat 7: $10
Seat 8: $14.80

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)
Hero: 2 J 2 ___brings-in
Seat 3: xx xx 4 ___calls
Seat 4: xx xx J ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9 ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8 ___calls

4th Street - (3.00 SB)
Hero: 2 J 2 2 ___raises___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 4 4 ___bets___folds
Seat 4: xx xx J 5 ___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9 K ___calls___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8 A ___calls___raises___calls

5th Street - (12.50 BB)
Hero: 2 J 2 2 4 ___bets___raises___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9 K 8 ___calls___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8 A K ___raises___raises

6th Street - (24.50 BB)
Hero: 2 J 2 2 4 5 ___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9 K 8 A ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8 A K 9 ___calls

River - (27.50 BB)
Hero: 2 J 2 2 4 5 T ___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9 K 8 A xx ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 8 A K 9 xx ___calls

Total pot: (30.50 BB)

Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $15.25 | Rake $0.40
Hero: [2h Jc 2c 2s 4c 5c Th] (three of a kind, Deuces)
Seat 7: [3h Kc 9c Kh 8c As 9d]
[/color]

NHLE hands^

1) Fold pre, as played 3bet his gay minraise on that flop.
2) Ya bet/fold the river for sure.

#1 Vs this type of opponents (assuming we have these monkey stats on him over a 300+ sample) K8s likes to 3bet pre, especially since we´re oop postflop. As played, 3bet flop. We have so much equity and he´s so bad, try to get it in asap.

#2 Raising flop makes things easier. As played, def b/f river.

NLHE
http://weaktight.com/158345
http://weaktight.com/157295
http://weaktight.com/158633


7 Card Stud High ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)
3rd Street - (1.40 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx 9 ___folds
Seat 3: xx xx K ___calls___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 8 ___calls___calls___calls
Hero: 3 3 3 ___brings-in___raises___raises
Seat 6: xx xx K ___raises___raises___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6 ___calls___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 9 ___folds

4th Street - (18.40 SB)
Seat 4: xx xx 8 Q ___calls
Hero: 3 3 3 7 ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx K 8 ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6 6 ___bets

5th Street - (13.20 BB)
Seat 4: xx xx 8 Q 8 ___checks___calls
Hero: 3 3 3 7 4 ___bets
Seat 6: xx xx K 8 4 ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6 6 9 ___calls

6th Street - (17.20 BB)
Seat 4: xx xx 8 Q 8 2 ___checks___calls
Hero: 3 3 3 7 4 7 ___bets
Seat 6: xx xx K 8 4 5 ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6 6 9 A ___calls

River - (21.20 BB)
Seat 4: xx xx 8 Q 8 2 xx ___bets___calls
Hero: 3 3 3 7 4 7 K ___raises
Seat 6: xx xx K 8 4 5 xx ___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 6 6 9 A xx ___calls

Total pot: (27.20 BB)
Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $13.60 | Rake $0.40
Seat 4: [2d 6d 8d Qh 8h 2s 2h] (a full house, Deuces full of Eights)
Hero: [3h 3d 3s 7c 4c 7h Kh] (a full house, Threes full of Sevens)
Seat 7: [Jd Js 6h 6s 9c Ah Ac]
[/color]


Played a couple cheap tourneys for fun tonight and this hand came up in the HORSE tourney.
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2426174

NLHE #2 is standard. Ugly result, make a note on villian.

#3 is standard as well on such a drawy board. I´d rename this OP to "STOP RUNNING SO BAD AT POKER!!!" for a while

And a huge NH on your str8 flush. So lovely when it gets paid off

He had to call, but am i right to shove???
No reads as he just sat down.
http://weaktight.com/160216

I still havent learned not to slowplay. Is it ok in this situation???
http://weaktight.com/160264

#1 Yes, you are right to shove.

#2 Dont slowplay, there´s no reason to. We want to slowplay, when

- there are no or very few cards in the deck, that could beat us or kill our action and here we really dont want to see another club falling.

- we hold the nuts on a board, that is unlikely to have opponents range hit, we slowplay hoping villian picks up a 2nd best that pays off. Now this flop is hit CO´s range pretty hard, TP or 2nd pair+gutter, 2pr, sets and whatnot. U don´t have to play it super-hard, but most villians won´t be so cooperative, when u have to get your stack in on one street.

NLHE
http://weaktight.com/160515
http://weaktight.com/160534
http://weaktight.com/160957

I had fun in a HORSE tourney will I went pretty deep and got knocked out in one limit hand not realizing I could get so much in...

I went on a razz heater(I dont think the other guys knew how to play razz) which was amazing, so it was a fun experience but I have to much trouble playing Horse and then any other table.

i liek them as played both are against short stacks so you have to have a really good reason to fold.

I play so bad.


1.)
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.04)
UTG+1 ($2.18)
CO ($11.67)
BTN ($7.77)
SB ($5.72)
Hero ($5.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BB
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.2, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, UTG calls $0.15, 1 fold, SB folds

Turn: ($0.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, UTG calls $0.4

River: ($1.3, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.9, UTG raises to $2.5, $1.6 to Hero ($3.5)?


2.)
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($6.42)
Hero ($4.81)
CO ($12.23)
BTN ($3.03)
SB ($12.07)
BB ($6.22)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.2

Flop: ($0.82, 3 players)
UTG bets $0.3, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, UTG raises to $4.75, $3.41 to Hero ($3.41)?

3.)
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($6.23)
Hero ($4.86)
CO ($11.25)
BTN ($2.20)
SB ($13.98)
BB ($10.06)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
UTG raises to $0.1, Hero raises to $0.4, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.4, SB calls $0.38, BB calls $0.35, UTG calls $0.3

Flop: ($2, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.7, 1 fold, SB folds, BB calls $1.7, UTG folds

Turn: ($5.4, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero goes all-in $2.76, BB calls $2.76

River: ($10.92, 2 players)

Final Pot: $10.92
Hero shows:
BB shows:

BB wins $10.42 ( won +$5.56 )
Hero lost -$4.86
BTN lost -$0.40
SB lost -$0.40
UTG lost -$0.40

4.)
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($4.32)
CO ($5.01)
BTN ($1.58)
SB ($8.87)
BB ($5.21)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.57, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, CO calls $0.4

Turn: ($1.37, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.9, CO calls $0.9

River: ($3.17, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

Final Pot: $7.17
Hero shows:
CO shows:

CO wins $6.82 ( won +$3.27 )
Hero lost -$3.55

any reads?

Originally Posted by kmind

any reads?

I add stats in a couple of the hands, but my PT doesnt seem to have the other players stats.

Main read is that i suck.

Originally Posted by wesrman

Originally Posted by kmind

any reads?

I add stats in a couple of the hands, but my PT doesnt seem to have the other players stats.

Main read is that i suck.

1- raise pf, raise flop, raise turn
2 - c'est la vie
3 - not always optimal to play overpairs for stacks, specially not on such draw heavy flops/ turns. this is of course read/opponent dependent.
this may or may not be the case at 5NL.
4 - your opponent sucks more for not raising the river

Stud 8/b
1.)
7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.10/$0.20), Ante $0.02, Bring-In $0.05 (converter)
3rd Street - (1.60 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9 ___folds
Hero: 3 4 A ___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 2 ___brings-in
Seat 4: xx xx 7 ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx J ___folds
Seat 6: xx xx T ___folds
Seat 7: xx xx Q ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 4 ___calls

4th Street - (3.10 SB)
Hero: 3 4 A 5 ___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 2 T ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 A ___calls

5th Street - (3.05 BB)
Hero: 3 4 A 5 J ___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 2 T 6 ___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 A T ___bets

6th Street - (6.05 BB)
Hero: 3 4 A 5 J 2 ___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 2 T 6 2 ___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 A T 9___checks___calls

River - (9.05 BB)
Hero: 3 4 A 5 J 2 5 ___bets___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 2 T 6 2 xx ___checks___raises___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 A T 9 xx ___checks___folds

Total pot: (15.05 BB)
Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $3.01 | Rake $0.14
Hero: [3d 4h As 5c Js 2h 5d] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
Seat 3: [Kh 9h 2s Ts 6s 2c 6c]
[/color]


2.)
7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.10/$0.20), Ante $0.02, Bring-In $0.05 (converter)
3rd Street - (1.60 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx T ___calls___calls
Hero: 2 3 A ___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 6 ___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 5 ___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx K ___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9 ___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7 ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx Q ___folds

4th Street - (6.10 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx T Q ___calls___calls
Hero: 2 3 A A ___bets___raises___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 6 2 ___raises___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 9 K ___calls___calls

5th Street - (11.05 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx T Q J ___calls
Hero: 2 3 A A 6 ___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 6 2 9 ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9 K 4 ___calls

6th Street - (15.05 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx T Q J 6 ___calls
Hero: 2 3 A A 6 8 ___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 6 2 9 6 ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9 K 4 5 ___calls

River - (19.05 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx T Q J 6 xx ___folds
Hero: 2 3 A A 6 8 2 ___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 6 2 9 6 xx ___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9 K 4 5 xx ___calls

Total pot: (21.05 BB)
Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $4.21 | Rake $0.20
Hero: [2h 3s Ad Ah 6d 8d 2c] (HI: two pair, Aces and Deuces; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)
Seat 6: [9c Ks 9d Kc 4d 5d Jd]
[/color]

NLHE hands
http://weaktight.com/167393
http://weaktight.com/166346

Stud 8/b Hand
7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)
3rd Street - (1.20 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 ___raises
Hero: 5 A 2 ___brings-in___calls
Seat 5: xx xx Q ___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx K ___folds
Seat 7: xx xx J ___raises___calls
Seat 8: xx xx T ___calls___calls

4th Street - (11.20 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 4 ___raises
Hero: 5 A 2 4 ___calls
Seat 5: xx xx Q T ___calls
Seat 7: xx xx J Q ___folds
Seat 8: xx xx T T ___bets___calls

5th Street - (9.60 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 4 8 ___bets___calls
Hero: 5 A 2 4 6 ___raises
Seat 5: xx xx Q T 8 ___calls
Seat 8: xx xx T T K ___checks___folds

6th Street - (15.60 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 4 8 3 ___bets___calls
Hero: 5 A 2 4 6 9 ___raises
Seat 5: xx xx Q T 8 J ___calls

River - (21.60 BB)
Seat 1: xx xx 3 4 8 3 xx ___bets___calls
Hero: 5 A 2 4 6 9 A ___raises
Seat 5: xx xx Q T 8 J xx ___folds

Total pot: (25.60 BB)
Total pot $12.80 | Rake $0.40
Seat 1: [2 5 3 4 8 3 J]
Hero: [5 A 2 4 6 9 A] (HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 6,5,4,2,A)
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HORSE Tourney Hands:
LO8:
http://weaktight.com/169209
LHE:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2507759
http://www.pokerhand.org/?2507888

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

Originally Posted by wesrman

Originally Posted by kmind

any reads?

I add stats in a couple of the hands, but my PT doesnt seem to have the other players stats.

Main read is that i suck.

1- raise pf, raise flop, raise turn
2 - c'est la vie
3 - not always optimal to play overpairs for stacks, specially not on such draw heavy flops/ turns. this is of course read/opponent dependent.
this may or may not be the case at 5NL.
4 - your opponent sucks more for not raising the river

Hand 1:
I dunno, I play the same unless I have a read that they limp then fold to a raise. Flop and turn are fine, and you gotta call river IMO.

Hand 2: Ya I just pay him. Also Yeti Theorem says he's bluffing no?

Hand 3: We've a big fucking 3-bet multiway pot, I don't see much other choice here. Don't wanna let a diamond peel off on the river and either get us beat or kill the action, so turn is a push for sure. In fact it's a pretty trivial push IMO. Jack what do you mean don't get your money in on wet boards? That sounds like the opposite of the truth.

Hand 4: Yeah, annoying spot OOP. I'm not sure about checking/calling the turn after he flat called the flop. And I'd hate to check/fold. You could play pot control and bet turn like 0.70, and block the river. Fold to any raises. You probably only get 3 streets of value out of a big station. Not sure about this hand though, I think I suck in this spot too.