Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Explain to me how this would be a good fold preflop...
When I see the flop shove, I'm pretty convinced Hero has a hopeless hand. This isn't often a bluff, imo. Like BJ says, folding to the shove is woeful if you've called the 4bet.

So I started back at the beginning. I would like to find a fold to the squeeze or the 4bet. I tend to call the squeeze w/ QQ, but this is exactly where that line sucks. We don't know this villain is strong until we see the cc/4bet (min). At that point, he's obviously strong. Shoving over the top here is pretty likely to run into AA or KK, imo.

After thinking about this hand a lot, I would guess I would have gotten myself trapped, hated myself for calling and looking up KK+ from the 4bettor. Tough spot. If you put all the AKo combo's in villain's range, then the shove is fine given the pot odds. But that's a big if.

I'd be interested to hear what BJ thinks about folding/shoving preflop. I think the correct place to fold is to the 4bet, despite the great pot odds on offer there. That's the point I'm pretty sure I'm crushed.