Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
did mojo just write a wall of maths about setmining in a 4bet pot?
Since you asked this, can I assume you think this is not a good idea? Why wouldn't the maths be the same? Only now, you're not guessing if you can get the whole ESS in if you hit, you're assured. Villain has practically laid his/her hand face up and told you they will stack off. Now you get to decide if you want to stack off or not, after you see the flop.

Isn't this is why calling with SC's in position is +EV? SC's are ~22% to beat an overpair. This is only 2% more than an underpair vs. an overpair, which is ~20% (2 outs = ~4% per card @ 5 cards). Hey, there's the ~12% to setmine! 2 outs 3 times (on the flop)! Tada!
WOW, it works for the ~30% for any Ax to beat KK. 3 outs 5 times!
Nice.

Quote Originally Posted by supa View Post
What about the % of time bb shoves over the top?
If Hero flat calls, unless SB raises, the betting is closed to BB. Of course, if SB raises that's the final disaster in this catastrophe that makes me finally, peacefully, quietly lay down the Q's, my analysis, and my hubris at not accepting your wisdom w/o question.