UGH...mIRC?

What is the server and channel for FTR???

Its prob right in front of my face as I've been there once before but now i can't find it

irc.thundercity.net

#flopturnriver - general (and some poker) chat
#ftrbc - poker chat

The server's a tinpot POS so it might take you a few connection attempts.

thank you sir

There's a sticky in the community forum here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...-a-153854.html

Don't worry about it, it's kind of easy to miss.

Theres only poker talk when I'm not spamming imo.

Originally Posted by dranger7070

Theres only poker talk when I'm not spamming imo.

I'd like to know when all these great poker discussions tend to happen on IRC. No offense, but I rarely ever find anyone talking poker strategy when I'm able to visit. Is there a particular day/time that tends to have more good discussions?

Originally Posted by Robb

I'd like to know when all these great poker discussions tend to happen on IRC. No offense, but I rarely ever find anyone talking poker strategy when I'm able to visit. Is there a particular day/time that tends to have more good discussions?

We now have two rooms due to complaints, although the room dedicated solely to poker discussion (#ftrbc) is often fairly empty. Basically with the exception of dranger (who talks shit 24/7) most people in the channel pass their time talking shit, but if anyone were to come in and raise a poker point, they're more than happy to discuss it. So to come in and witness a discussion you'd have to time it very well, but generating one yourself should hopefully not be too much work, depending on who's about.

Originally Posted by Robb

I'd like to know when all these great poker discussions tend to happen on IRC. No offense, but I rarely ever find anyone talking poker strategy when I'm able to visit. Is there a particular day/time that tends to have more good discussions?

happens a bit - typically in response to someone posting some hands.

an example -


<suspenders> um
<suspenders> reads, where we're going we don't need reads
<suspenders> (but really we do)
<daven> 29-22-3, 60% attempt to steal, 50% fold to 3-bet, 45% cbet, 0% fold to cbet (0/4), 120 hands
<daven> is what my hud told me
<daven> he knows that sb is calling atc
<suspenders> PF standrad for you?
<daven> depends on table
<daven> usually i open fold
<daven> obviously, but sometimes...
<daven> the nits were respecting my ep opens although i guess it is a kinda marginal play to iso the sb
<daven> sorry, bb
<daven> like, i was ubernit this morning session
<daven> 2k hands at 15-11
<suspenders> let's say the river is a 2-5
<suspenders> what's your decision and sizing
<daven> ok, villain's range is good to know here
<daven> and that's kinda wide pre-flop
<daven> 22-JJ, scs, broadways, Axs
<daven> calling the flop with any piece/made hand and even some draws
<daven> turn he folds a lot
<daven> by the river the value is kinda thin
<daven> but without thinking i bet-fold
<daven> if 2-5
<daven> or Q-A
<daven> river J/9/8 i check behind
<daven> 7/6 i bet-call ldo
<daven> hand on, bet-call q
<daven> sizing for both is $13
<kiwiMark> daven: ouchies, re: riots
<kiwiMark> Anyway, I'm off now
* kiwiMark is now known as kiwiMark|drinks
<daven> have fun, watch out for upstairs windows
<suspenders> I don't get $13
<suspenders> are you trying to rep thin value b/c that's silly with our hand
<daven> um, it is thinner than it first appears
<suspenders> right but your bet sizing reps your hand
<suspenders> silly billy
<daven> yeah, true.
<daven> but nobody cr bluffs like ever
<daven> it also reps scared overpairs
<suspenders> right
<suspenders> which sucks if on like a 2-5 river he has 99/JJ/etc
<suspenders> hard to put you on Tx opening UTG+1
<daven> and also reps scared AK
<suspenders> and most players would assume you aren't getting 3 streets from JJ+
<daven> ok, so sizing then?
<daven> like, i check KK any river here
<daven> but i bet TT the same size
<suspenders> upper 20s probably
<suspenders> right
<suspenders> so ppl should look you up somewhat lightish here
<suspenders> with a bigger bet
<suspenders> smaller bet as I said reps hands like KK
<suspenders> I might bluff with those sizes if somehow I got here with one
<suspenders> I think that's a mistake
<daven> why?
<suspenders> b/c w/ $13 you're never bluffing
<daven> on a blank river he's only raising hands >> T9 here
<daven> and he's likely c-r all hands > T9
<suspenders> we're still discussing a 2-5 river
<suspenders> right
<daven> if i bet small with TT = max value line? or ?
<suspenders> no
<suspenders> look his range seems fairly week on a 2-5river
<suspenders> 88/99/JJ
<suspenders> stuff like that makes by far and away the most sense
<daven> 66/77
<daven> 66/77/88/99/JJ
<suspenders> ok fine w/e
<daven> or?
<suspenders> we're valuebetting
<daven> i guess he donks river with a good hand
<suspenders> so let's forget about 66/77
<suspenders> and talk about maximzing value from 88/99/JJ
<suspenders> perhaps even QQ
<suspenders> I mean your'e opening UTG+1, I'd flat QQ there
<daven> um, are we going to give him a range ?
<suspenders> lol
<suspenders> that's what we're doing boss

<daven> don't get a tat
<daven> get a scar
<daven> way cooler

<dranger_libertyinsandiego> and lolagreed daven
<dranger_libertyinsandiego> but the Corps is a lil more lenient on tats than brands lol
<daven> so, you like it as played? based on river - but we gotta think about other rivers?
<daven> so, ok with flop and turn play?
<daven> cos they own you and a brand is someone else may own you?
<suspenders> what else were you supposed to do
<daven> good, just checking!
<daven> ok, so river 3-5 are the only interesting scenarios then
<suspenders> nah J-A
<daven> J i check behind, Q i go broke
<suspenders> checking back the jack seems like a mistake
<daven> i just don't see him calling much on a jack river
<dranger_libertyinsandiego> ok
<daven> and it's bet-fold
<dranger_libertyinsandiego> g2g
<dranger_libertyinsandiego> ill post some pics of my new tat tomorrow probx
<dranger_libertyinsandiego> probs*
<dranger_libertyinsandiego> later

<suspenders> against 66-QQ on the river
<suspenders> on a 6TT7J board
<suspenders> with half the 88/99 combos taken out
<suspenders> you're dead even
<daven> sure, now, split that into 3
<daven> hands he calls, hands he folds, hands he raises
<daven> and add some JT/T9/AT
<daven> he calls QQ
<suspenders> really not expecting him to have those Tx hands ever
<suspenders> pretty stunned at ATo tbh
<daven> um, T9/JT/AT are in the agreed pre-flop range
<suspenders> "agreed"
<daven> so when do they disappear
<daven> 22-QQ/SCs/Broadways/Axs
<suspenders> disagree there
<daven> ok, i took silence as agreement
<suspenders> i mean I like that range were he on the button
<suspenders> I think it has to be tighter/stronger from the SB
<daven> hmm, i would if the bb wasn't dead money
<suspenders> I'd say that's a much better argument if he's the BB and fish is SB
<daven> true
<daven> ok, make it suited broadways
<suspenders> my main point is
<suspenders> no matter his range
<suspenders> when we bet the river it's clearly for value
<suspenders> but when you bet $13 on the river it's never as a bluff
<suspenders> so it's fairly easy to play perfectly against a $13 bet
<daven> i'm stuck on whether there is any value to be had now
<suspenders> 2-5 river
<daven> ja
<daven> ok,
<daven> JJ/QQ/99/JT/T9
<suspenders> 88=99
<daven> &88, yep
<suspenders> like if he has JJ
<suspenders> and you bet $13 on the river
<suspenders> you're repping a wider value-betting range than had you bet like $27
<suspenders> I think we can agree on that
<daven> which means i get more calls?
<suspenders> ?
<suspenders> why
<daven> cos villain isn't thinking about range so much, he's like, hmm, i gotta call
<daven> whereas vs $27, he's thinking uhoh i don't like 99 much anymore
<suspenders> you're never going to get anywhere in poker thinking like that
<suspenders> c
learly what your bet-size represents is huge here
<daven> yeah, and $13 reps weaker than $27 = he is calling the hands we get value against way more often
<suspenders> $13 does NOT REP WEAKER
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<daven> in his mind it does
<daven> badgers - a hand, assuming river 2-5, betsizing and why
<daven> http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...00.html#934793
<daven> also, villain is <daven> 29-22-3, 60% attempt to steal, 50% fold to 3-bet, 45% cbet, 0% fold to cbet (0/4), 120 hands
<oskar> (11:53:18 AM) dranger_libertyinsandiego: what do we think ^?
<badgers> the 2nd hand?
<oskar> like omg theres an eagale inside u
<suspenders> let's look at your "range" for betting $13 vs something in the upper 20s
<suspenders> gimme your range for betting $13
<daven> yep
<badgers> it's a pretty tough spot...
<badgers> basically the only T you get value from is JT
<suspenders> the hand with the river as is, is not a tough spot
<badgers> JJ+ probably 3bets preflop
<daven> ok, say 2-5 river
<badgers> ohhhh
<badgers> sorry :S
<daven> as played it's easy check behind
<daven> i think
<badgers> yeah I agree
<badgers> sorry too early in morning lol
<daven> so, river 4h
<daven> for example
<daven> we're debating bet sizing etc
<badgers> $24 minimum
<daven> and we gotta split his range into 3, right = calling range, folding range, cr shove range
<suspenders> I really doubt we're getting c/r'ed ever on the end
<daven> why? i'm lost here, you both agree, = i'm gonna learn something
<suspenders> dude
<daven> yeah, he's leading the river with his monsters most of the time
<suspenders> i've said it 20 times
<badgers> 99/88/jt/t8/t9
<suspenders> by betting small you reps hands you normally wouldn't be valuebetting
<suspenders> with a big size
<badgers> it looks more like air
<suspenders> ^^^^^^
<suspenders> and we've opened UTG+1
<suspenders> to Tx is not a part of our typical range
<daven> does it look more like air? is my question i guess
<suspenders> you're repping a hand like QQ by betting small, which is not what you want to represent against 88/99/JJ
<daven> like, assuming a typical villain here
<daven> he's more likely to bluff catch vs a big bet?
<badgers> it looks more like a full house/air given your EPopen
<badgers> he may fold slightly more frequently to a big bet
<suspenders> not likely to bluffcatch, but your range is crazy polarized
<suspenders> with a big bet
<badgers> but not enough to make up for the time that you win more by betting bigger
<daven> i dunno if i barrel AK here
<badgers> does he know that?
<suspenders> probably should barrel a lot here
<suspenders> EP open against his SB calling range
<daven> i probably don't 3-barrel air enough
<suspenders> seems like a pretty simple spot of our range is lolstronger than his
<daven> yeah, we agree on everything but sizing
<daven> and i'm starting to get it
<daven> he's calling JJ both sizes, same with JT/T9
<badgers> idk if I would barrel AK here, it's hard to get him to fold 88/99 when he picks up the gutshot and I think that's a decent part of his range
<daven> QQ on river?
<badgers> unless we plan on 3barrelling a lot but I would want more reads before I did that
<daven> play
<badgers> same thing
<badgers> $24
<badgers> min
<badgers> oh wait
<daven> even when our range suddenly became weaker against his?
<badgers> idk it depends if he's bad enough to call Tx here
<daven> cos there are twice as many Tx hands
<badgers> which he is apparently
<badgers> preflop I mean
<daven> 9T/TJ mostly, and AT, maybe Kts/QTs
<daven> TT
<daven> i check QQ behind, awful?
<badgers> no i think it's ok
<suspenders> if you check back QQ then you'll def want to bet big with Tx
<suspenders> I'd bet $27+ with Tx/boats/air and $9 with JJ-AA
<suspenders> this is on the low-card river
<daven> I'm going to post the low card version in FTR FR forum
<suspenders> lol
<badgers> I guess he pretty much never has air here
<daven> cos i definitely gained something from this
<badgers> so vbetting JJ is fine
<badgers> since he'll never turn a hand into a bluff
<badgers> and we're marginally ahead of his range
<suspenders> basically with JJ-AA on the river I'd bet w/e size I bet on the turn
<badgers> 79/78 also possible
<daven> 89 also then
<badgers> as is like A6/86/96
<badgers> some combos
<suspenders> nah
<suspenders> i mean flatting from the sb against EP open with those seems like a stretch
<badgers> 86s can definitely play this way
<suspenders> 78/89 work postflop, but should be discount PF a bit
<daven> 29-22
<badgers> I'm not really thinking offsuit
<daven> suited for sure
<suspenders> you'd get better advice in the SH forum
<suspenders> sowwy but it's true
<daven> but the mod would move the hand...
<suspenders> cuz this is a creative kind of spot
<suspenders> ya I'm not saying to do it
<suspenders> this is one of dem outside the box kinda thangs
<daven> ok, another one that's kinda similar
<daven> but completely different

lol old man, when's the last time spenda was in chat, '94?

^lol

Seriously, if I was going on liberty in San Diego that has to be like Septemberish. Anyways, yea I spam pretty much nonstop if I'm around in IRC (which is pretty much always) but if someone posts a hand/asks questions it usually generates a discussion pretty easily. So all you gotta do is join and throw some hands up with stats/reads and off you go.