The trough-Bigspenda73--4000 Posts of Degeneracy

Wow, 4k posts, never thought this day would come.

For those who don't know me I'm FTR's biggest post-whore, an instructor for a poker video site, and an all around nice guy. Well, at least 2 out of 3 aint bad

Ask me anything and I'll get to it.

[x] First

Where is place you speak of with great food but nasty whores?

How are you?

How many hands have you played in 2008? Boom theres a serious question biatch!!!!

Also fuck you for stealing my first.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

How many hands have you played in 2008?

If I had to guess, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 hands. Not nearly enough for someone who supposedly does this for a living, and certainly just enough to scrape by. I don't necessarily enjoy the grind of poker, which stinks because there's a lot of money to be won and frankly sometimes I'd rather sit on my butt than win it.

My DB currently has 1500 hands in it, I get freaked out very easily and reformat all the time because any time my computer has the hint of a virus I worry so much that I won't feel at ease until I clean my computer out. This has happened 4 times this year, plus my laptop crashed on me and lost my entire previous 2-3 years of databases I had on it (200k+ hands).

My biggest leak has always been lack of hands, thanks for bringing it up yo.

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

How are you?

Just trying to live

Vanilla, Strawberry, Pistachio or Chocolate?

Also, are you up for a prop bet into qualifying into a live tourney next year? Any '09 actually, EPT, WPT, WSOP.

Say, $10? Its symbolical, obviously.

ask anything? cool!

should i call or shove? villain is 50/5 over 160 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($4.42)
MP3 ($5.70)
CO ($7.87)
Button ($8.21)
SB ($3.30)
BB ($1.99)
Hero ($4.12)
UTG+1 ($3)
MP1 ($4.81)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises to $0.06, 5 folds, Button calls $0.06, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.99, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $0.19

Results in white below:
No showdown. BB wins $0.19.

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

Vanilla, Strawberry, Pistachio or Chocolate?

Chocolate and it's not even close.

Originally Posted by AFchung

ask anything? cool

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($4.42)
MP3 ($5.70)
CO ($7.87)
Button ($8.21)
SB ($3.30)
BB ($1.99)
Hero ($4.12)
UTG+1 ($3)
MP1 ($4.81)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises to $0.06, 5 folds, Button calls $0.06, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.99, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $0.19

Results in white below:
No showdown. BB wins $0.19.

**Edit**
You snuck your reads in on me, however, I'm not going to alter my post.

First, would need is a read on your opponent however without it we can still come to a decision.

What I like to do in these situations is try to build a hand range for my opponent and use a tool like pokerstove to determine my equity against that range. I then take my equity, compare it to my pot odds, and make a decision.

Let's say that our opponent will certainly do this with AA and KK, he will also do this 33% of the time he is dealt JJ, QQ, and AK. Also, every once in a while he's the world worst poker player (quite possible at 2nl) and once in every blue moon he has AQo. Make sure you realize the is definitely the tighest (best) hand-range this player should ever have. If it were me at the time I would go all-in over his shove to charge the player on the button the maximum in this spot.

Let's look at a very tight range:

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.198% 28.03% 12.17% 7198143 3126434.00 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 59.802% 47.63% 12.17% 12233549 3126434.00 { KK+, QcQd, QdQh, JcJd, JdJh, AcKc, AdKd, AsKs, AcKs, AdKs, AdKc, AsKh, AsQh }

Now let's look at a much looser range:

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.067% 44.68% 07.39% 45899511 7593030.00 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 47.933% 40.54% 07.39% 41652669 7593030.00 { TT+, 44-33, AJs+, AQo+ }

You can see how drastically our ranges change if we perceive this villain to be capable of this move with a larger/weaker hand range. We've now gone from a 59:41 underdog to a 52:48 favorite, making this call PF fairly easy/standard. I would have made this call, and if I were playing $2nl I'd have a bankroll in the $75-$100 range and not have to worry about gambling it up with the donkish players who make moves like this. Make sure you're always rolled for your level and these calls become much easier to make.

on a scale of 1 to 10 how gay is your avatar.

Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

on a scale of 1 to 10 how gay is your avatar.

It actually does bother me for a few reasons, however, I've been having a lot of fun with it. Other people really cannot stand losing money to it, and I tend to needle them if they say something to me.

Now, on the other hand, my FTR avatar might be the pimpest thing ever. Shout out to X-man for making it come to life.

Full poker story with graf etc. etc.

What were your Eureka moments learning this game?

Longest session ever played?

Did you reeaaally play gmml at 5/10 or was there some level like agreeing beforehand to ship it back to the winnar?

Originally Posted by badgers

Full poker story with graf etc. etc.

What were your Eureka moments learning this game?

Longest session ever played?

Did you reeaaally play gmml at 5/10 or was there some level like agreeing beforehand to ship it back to the winnar?

I have no graph's, like I wrote in response so DG I have reformatted my DB so many times, lifetime I've made over $20,000 at 50nl-200nl and 2/4-5/10LHE Pre-legislation. I have like one picture I posted on another forum of 10k hands at 100nl, but that's it. Sorry to disappoint. My graph this month looks like Joker's smile, sharply downard, then sharply back upwards.

Eureka moments, none whatsoever, to be honest I just keep picking up things as I go. In NL the biggest thing I ever learned was about pot-size manipulation, changing over from LHE this has to be the toughest thing as pot-control means nothing in limit.

I've played a few 6-8 hour sessions, probably 3k hands is the most I have ever played in a single sitting. I'm not like you, I cannot 24table

I believe I posted in the thread in the commune the real story behind the 5/10 thing.

Holy crap that was true? I'm so paranoid about getting levelled by poker players lol...

cool thread, nice to have you back posting again More questions later

Look at you regulars, comming into our beginner forum, using it as your own "FTR community" for your miscellany...

But seriously.

I have a question about this stuff, at MICRO stakes
having an "image"
bluffing
OOP hand selection/openlimping

thankye

Originally Posted by wellrounded08

I have a question about this stuff, at MICRO stakes
having an "image"
bluffing
OOP hand selection/openlimping

thankye

Having an image at micro-stakes does not matter at all. Frankly your opponents have to be good enough for you to take advantage of your own image, and they're not, so trying to create a tight image or some loose-aggressive image usually just goes unnoticed.

Bluffing is great against the right opponent. At micro-stakes you will find many extremely weak-tight opponents, however, some of them still call-down too much. Also, a lot of them check their bigger, value-bettable hands so much that a lot of the times you try to bluff you run into a hand you thought would never be in their checking range. Identify who you can bluff and who you cannot. Make sure and take detailed notes on the types of boards they folded or called down on.

Position is such a key part of hold'em (all poker for that matter) that we want to play extremely tight OOP. I tend to 3bet more than I call OOP especially against late-position openers. For example, if the player on the button opens and I have 66, I'll tend to 3bet instead of call. Being OOP makes 66 very difficult to play in the sense that we'll only win the pot when we flop a set and since we're OOP when we do flop a set it will be tough to gain maximum value. However, 66 rates very well against a typical button opener's range, is not that difficult to play postflop (i.e. will not make a lot of 1pr hands where you are unsure whether to stack off or not) and will take the pot down PF a good amount of the time. You won't want to 3bet people who call too many 3bets and also who tend to play aggressively in 3bet pots. Sometimes against good players on the button I just fold hands like 22-55 in the SB and save myself the trouble. I'll tend to call these in the BB because Im getting a better immediate price and don't have to worry about being squeezed (us calling in the SB and the BB 3betting).

I don't openlimp and do not advocate it, however, I feel there are a few hands where it's more profitable to openlimp than to come in raising, those hands are 88-TT. In terms of overall gameplay, raising hands like 22-55 UTG can be very helpful against set-miners. They'll typically be calling you with better hands PF but easily giving up to continuation bets postflop, which is always nice. Also, it's important to not be so tight UTG that you'll always be paying these set-miners off. While opening 22-55 UTG may not show a profit on these certain hands it will benefit your overall game by weakening your UTG range.

Name 5 long term posters that you are better than, name 5 you are worse than.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Name 5 long term posters that you are better than, name 5 you are worse than.

Worse than is easy, if I had to rank 5 best players on FTR w/o anyone getting butt-hurt:

1. Sauce
2. Gabe
3. Marshall28
4. Jew Crew
5. IlikeAces86

Who am I better than, that's just a loaded question, how about the coolest FTR'ers I've met:

1. Halvsame
2. P4's
3. Swiggidy
4. Nutsinho
5. Ensign_Lee obvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

name 5 long time posters who you are better than

Finally.

wanna play some 5/10 ?

What type of poker do you see as the most profitable given the state of the games right now? PLO, 6max, HU, FR, playing on an american site.

Originally Posted by allabout

What type of poker do you see as the most profitable given the state of the games right now? PLO, 6max, HU, FR, playing on an american site.

Fewer players, the higher the win rate. The further the game is from hold'em may be the better.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by allabout

What type of poker do you see as the most profitable given the state of the games right now? PLO, 6max, HU, FR, playing on an american site.

Fewer players, the higher the win rate. The further the game is from hold'em may be the better.

so... razz?

how many hands of each level did you play till you moved up, starting with your first buy in

Why are you terrible at HU? And by HU I mean any kind of Hold'em. Any by Hold'em I mean any kind of poker. And by poker I mean life?

Do you regret getting with any females you have gotten with?

You have always been a proponent of guiding people to find the answers and not just giving the answers, and I would agree. So I can't really come up with a question that you can answer in the context of this thread without hijacking it so I will ask you this.


What question should I ask you in order to further my game? What is the answer, or where should I look for the answers?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

The further the game is from hold'em may be the better.

I completely agree. Playing more Stud and Draw poker lately has helped me realize this. Omaha too, at least for now.

What would you do for a job if you didn't play poker for a living?

Hey Spenda, just wondering what your average income is per day or per week over the last maybe 100K hands or so, and at what stakes/limits? Do you strictly play Hold'em?

Originally Posted by allabout

What type of poker do you see as the most profitable given the state of the games right now? PLO, 6max, HU, FR, playing on an american site.

Well a lot of it depends on a person's style of play, the time they have to dedicate to the game, and the amount of tables they can handle.

Strictly by winrate I would go:

HU
PLO
6max
FR

However, this does not tell the whole story, a 3ptbb/100 winner at FR could easily out-earn a 10ptbb/100 winner at HU just from sheer hand volume.

Learning all these games can only help your play though, the fish tend to migrate towards what is fun and exciting, therefore PLO and HU are the games of choice, and as HU and PLO get more air-time on ESPN and other poker shows, they will become even more popular.

Originally Posted by tom

how many hands of each level did you play till you moved up, starting with your first buy in

I started at limit, .25/.50 online and was about a 3BB/100 winner there. It was such a slow process that I topped-up my online roll to $500 and move up to .5/1. Clearing bonuses and running 2BB/100 helped me get to 1/2 and then 2/4 ($2k roll) in about 50k hands or so. I then made it all the way up to 5/10 until I ran into a lot more aggressive players and eventually had a big downswing and withdrew my online roll and swore off the game.

HOWEVER, Neteller stuck $120 or some of mine online and I determined I would learn NL and grind it up. My biggest break early on was winning a $4 180man on PS for $215+ and that really helped me take shots at 25 and 50nl. I couldn't tell you the number of hands, but it was a good amount. I'm still not sure if I was a a winner at 25nl on PS/UB but when I moved to AP the games were so fishy that I started crushing for 10ptb/100 at 25nl and 50nl which helped me move up quickly.

Originally Posted by Mezza Morta

Hey Spenda, just wondering what your average income is per day or per week over the last maybe 100K hands or so, and at what stakes/limits? Do you strictly play Hold'em?

I do for now play Hold'em only, I used to play a lot of PLO, and in fact it was my game of choice for a few months last year. I play any game $100plo/nl or below right now because paying the bills really has hurt my bankroll and I've been travelling and slacking on putting in the hours. I think I've probably made right around $11k my past 100,000 hands.

Originally Posted by Rage2100

What would you do for a job if you didn't play poker for a living?

Up until 4 months ago I was a golf instructor. I am currently thinking about looking for work now, as I don't feel I'm suited for the life of a grinder. Something in business management consulting or anything finance-based would suit me quite well.

How is Grinder School doing? I felt I learned a lot while I was there, but I don't play poker enough to afford it long term.

name 5 long time posters who you feel you play no limit hold'em better than.

'rilla, your relentless lol.

Originally Posted by the spenda

I don't openlimp and do not advocate it, however, I feel there are a few hands where it's more profitable to openlimp than to come in raising, those hands are 88-TT.

So, it's more profitable but you don't do it? Reason?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

name 5 long time posters who you feel you play no limit hold'em better than.

1. givememyleg
2. givememyleg
3. givememyleg
4. givememyleg
5. givememyleg

Originally Posted by Robb

How is Grinder School doing? I felt I learned a lot while I was there, but I don't play poker enough to afford it long term.

You remind me of me like 12-18 months ago, you seem to grasp a lot of the concepts that can make someone a good poker player but you do not actually put enough time into playing the game. I'm still guilty of this to an extent, if I truly put in a ton of a time I'd make so much more money, and for some reason I just fail to do so.

Am I better than you, or just luckier?

jk

do you like me?

yes
no

circle one

Do you think someone could ever become a great Online player without being able to talk/write Poker theory?

Ok. You've railed me Spenda, and you've played against me. Railed me at UB limit... played against me at 25nl and our Tourney.

What are your reads on me? Anything glaringly stupidly obvious I need to fix.

And don't talk about BR management, I had 20 BI's for that 25nl, took a shot got raped, and moved right back down. It wasn't terribad, and I earned it back before I cashed out! =p

express your opinion of 5 long term posters not named givememyleg, who you believe to be inferior players of no limit texas hold'em when compared to yourself.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

And don't talk about BR management, I had 20 BI's for that 25nl, took a shot got raped, and moved right back down. It wasn't terribad, and I earned it back before I cashed out! =p

When taking a shot table selection usually helps a lot.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

express your opinion of 5 long term posters not named givememyleg, who you believe to be inferior players of no limit texas hold'em when compared to yourself.

Alright:

1. Leg
2. Swiggidy
3. Rilla
4. Bigred
5. Salsa4ever

Originally Posted by bigred

do you like me?

yes

no

circle one

Originally Posted by silu73

Do you think someone could ever become a great Online player without being able to talk/write Poker theory?

Sure, some people just have great feel for the game, and others, while truly understanding the theory, may just have trouble putting it into words on paper (or computer).

You missed my question

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

And don't talk about BR management, I had 20 BI's for that 25nl, took a shot got raped, and moved right back down. It wasn't terribad, and I earned it back before I cashed out! =p

When taking a shot table selection usually helps a lot.

Anything else?

Do you know how to play razz?

Originally Posted by courtiebee

Do you know how to play razz?

Yes, but only when I'm playing Seven Card Stud unfortunately

Originally Posted by jyms

You missed my question

6. Trainer_Jyms

You've found a table/opponents where 3betting light seems like a great idea. Questions:

1. How do you deal with getting 4bet when you hold ATs or 77? Just fold?
2. How much 4betting will change your mind about 3betting?

Originally Posted by Robb

You've found a table/opponents where 3betting light seems like a great idea. Questions:

1. How do you deal with getting 4bet when you hold ATs or 77? Just fold?
2. How much 4betting will change your mind about 3betting?

In honor of all of Robb's past posts, I'll create a long-winded strategy post for you guys.


1. I have some fun math I could show everyone about 5bet shoving, I've been working on it a lot lately. Maybe I'll write up a post on 4/5bet semi-bluff shoving. Anyways, I'll tend to believe people who 4bet me OOP much more than those who do it IP against me.

With ATs or 77 assuming typical 3bet/4bet sizing you need to believe your opponent is going to fold around 40-45% of the time being 100bb deep. This means they need to be 4bet bluffing (4bet+folding) slightly less than they are 4betting+stacking-off for value. Seeing how most people like to flat KK/AA against 4bets, they are typically bluffs more than you would think. Of course this depends on the level and/or opponent. At $25nl and below I have yet to see a 4bet bluff that wasn't my own. **MAKE SURE YOU CHOOSE YOUR OPPONENTS CORRECTLY**

A lot of my math is based off of this 4bet+calling range for my opponents: JJ+,AKo,AKs. That's 40 combination's of hands, only 33 if you have ATs because of blockers. Notice how few trash-hands someone must have in their 4bet+folding range to start make 5bet semi-bluff shoving +EV. If someone 4bets with JJ+,AKo,AKs,890,J90,79o,56s and you have ATs it's now right at 0EV or slightly +EV to shove PF. This is done through basic hand-combination's. We know JJ+,AKo,AKs is 33 combinations, while 89o,J9o,56s contains 37 combinations. I've told you earlier that you only need about 44% FE here to be +EV. With 33 combinations in their calling range you need their total 4betting range to have ONLY 59 hand combinations, or 26 combos of a 4bet+fold range. Any more than 26 4bet+fold combinations and we are +EV.

2. This is where the "feel" in poker starts to kick in. Do I really believe/feel my opponents are adjusting, or did they just happen to find QQ+,AK one of these times. I tend to give the first 4bet ZERO respect, note, however, that this is from spending a lot of time playing HU and 3-4 handed starting 6max tables. At $100nl and above people 4bet bluff way more than you think, and if you're willing to ride the variance train, you can get away with a lot. However, at $50nl and below, players 4bet+fold frequencies drop dramatically, to the point where 5bet shoving is probably not as profitable.

As an aside, make sure you're 3betting light for the right reasons. Some players tend to 3bet the wrong types of hands, destryoing a lot of their hand's value by significantly reducing their opponents range PF to one that dominates their hand. A typical example is 3betting TT/99 against the wrong types of opponents. Against some this is a value 3bet, against others (nits, abc taggs) you destroy a lot of your hand's value by 3betting. These hands 88-TT are going to put you in much more difficult spots postflop in 3bet pots than say would 22-55 or 56s because you're likely going to always have a medium strength hand which can be difficult to play.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

In honor of all of Robb's past posts, I'll create a long-winded strategy post for you guys.

LoL. Thanks, spenda. Good stuff to think about. I like the math - you gave just enough of an outline for folks like me to get our teeth into and do the rest on our own. Nice post.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

express your opinion of 5 long term posters not named givememyleg, who you believe to be inferior players of no limit texas hold'em when compared to yourself.

Alright:

1. Leg
2. Swiggidy
3. Rilla
4. Bigred
5. Salsa4ever

Oh no you didn't!

what's a good typical 3 betting range from the blinds against a 25-33% stealer?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I tend to give the first 4bet ZERO respect

Dude, you're a liar and moreso a nit!

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players

Sugar Nut (BTN/SB): $72.35
bigspenda73: $53.05

Pre Flop: Sugar Nut is BTN/SB with 7 6
Sugar Nut raises to $1.50, bigspenda73 raises to $5, Sugar Nut raises to $13, bigspenda73 folds

Final Pot: $10.00
Sugar Nut mucks 7h 6s
Sugar Nut wins $10.00

[x] solid first post

sn on AP?

why do i suck at poker?

why do i suck at golf?

why do i suck at life?

for how long will u stop posting outside the commune when u reach 4999 posts?

Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I tend to give the first 4bet ZERO respect except from nits

Dude, you're a liar and moreso a nit!

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players

Sugar Nut (BTN/SB): $72.35
bigspenda73: $53.05

Pre Flop: Sugar Nut is BTN/SB with 7 6
Sugar Nut raises to $1.50, bigspenda73 raises to $5, Sugar Nut raises to $13, bigspenda73 folds

Final Pot: $10.00
Sugar Nut mucks 7h 6s
Sugar Nut wins $10.00

[x] solid first post

fmp

Why?

Originally Posted by XTR1000

sn on AP?

why do i suck at poker?

why do i suck at golf?

why do i suck at life?

for how long will u stop posting outside the commune when u reach 4999 posts?

honestly I forget who I was, either Borat4Prez or deeeeenutz

You dont suck at poker, you suck at winning at poker

You don't suck at golf, well, actually, you probably do and I'm not a golf pro anymore.

You do suck at life, everyone hates you and it's all your fault.

I plan on being at 4999 in 4 days, stay tuned!

I gots two questions.... kind of related...

1) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M which is sh!tty... do I keep grinding away to try and fix leaks at $10 or move up anyway if I'm rolled?

2) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M.... and have basically hit a wall over around 100K hands. Where should I start looking to find those break-through leaks?

Originally Posted by sarbox68

I gots two questions.... kind of related...

1) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M which is sh!tty... do I keep grinding away to try and fix leaks at $10 or move up anyway if I'm rolled?

2) I'm stuck at around 2PTBB/100 win rate at $10nl 6M.... and have basically hit a wall over around 100K hands. Where should I start looking to find those break-through leaks?

So 2ptbb/100 over 100k hands is $400 earnings? I would certainly advise you to up to 25nl. 2ptbb/100 over 100k hands does prove you can beat 10nl, albeit not at a world record pace. I know lifetime I'm 10ptbb/100+ at 10nl over 25k+ hands. Basically I learned early to do a few things:

1. Tighten up my UTG, UTG+1 opening ranges, people love to call PF, so playing a weaker range OOP stinks.

2. Value-bet light. Remember all of those bluffs that were called? Think about spots where you think your bluff would always get snapped-off when you actually have a decently made hand (think 2nd pr, or even 2pr/set on scary boards). A lot of your hand-strength is based off of board textures. On some boards TPTK is a monster, on others it's a bluff-catcher at best.

3. Learn to read bet-sizing, timing tells, and take good notes on both.

4. Learn to value-shove your big hands. I cannot tell you how many times I've overbet shoved huge hands only to get called by the strangest of hands. I tend to go for the gusto, also, I tend to do it on great boards.

Say you hold 67 and the board runs out 342T5. The pot is probably fairly small due to the fact that we had just a gutterball, however, now a lot of players won't fold an Ace (5 high straight) to a shove, and they certainly won't fold a 6 ever. Some people might just make a standard 2/3 pot bet here, I tend to just shove, even if the pot is like 50 cents. The same thing goes for overboats and quads and even the nut-flush on a 4flush board. Your opponents calling frequencies do not change enough to merit a small bet over an overbet shove. Once you get past $25nl this thought-process should definitely be re-visited, however, for the time being it is certainly the most +EV way to play.

History/reasoning behind PS sn?

Originally Posted by JinxT4

History/reasoning behind PS sn?

Which one, I've had 4 accounts there....

Loltrappedu, it was actually a joke, just like bigspenda73 was when I joined FTR. I was making for of the interweb lingo and I remember someone else had Loltrickedu or something.

Anyways, every time I sit at a table with noobs they give me hell when they trap me. Funny thing is I play my hands so fast, bluffing, semi-bluffing, and made-hands obviously that I cannot remember the last time I loltrapped anyone.

Looking back on it, loltarpedu would have been 50x cooler (sarcasm, again).

If I had to pick again, something like NittyMcnitterson, or sirFoldsAlot would be better, b/c then maybe I could get someone to fold against me every once in a while.

How much are you up on me at microstake donkfests and how is that fair?

Originally Posted by frosst

what's a good typical 3 betting range from the blinds against a 25-33% stealer?

Originally Posted by frosst

Originally Posted by frosst

what's a good typical 3 betting range from the blinds against a 25-33% stealer?

Sorry I missed this one frosst.

There are 2 ways to attack a blind-stealer, however, this guy isn't that high on the charts.

1. 3bet more
2. Call and play some poker postflop

My typical 3betting range against a stealer will be a lot of pairs, AQo+,AJs+ and some suited connectors thrown in from time to time. I tend to not want to flat small pairs against loose button openers because we give up with them so much postflop and the button's range is too wide to profitably set-mine against.

Basically you want to make life tough for them to open such a wide range, so either 3betting or c/r'ing a lot of flops or leading some flops and c/r'ing others will be a good way to combat someone who steals a lot.

Why do we 3bet hands like 99/TT/AJs/ATs vs. loose stealers?

I probably don't 3bet 88/99 and I'll 3bet TT for value

These run so close between 3betting for FE+playability and 3betting for value. A lot of it depends on the BTN's 3bet-calling range not just their opening range.

Also, I never said to 3bet ATs, I usually just flat it, it doesn't make a lot of sense to 3bet ATs when our opponent is opening all Ax hands otb but only continuing to a 3bet with AQ+.

I'm not saying you did 3bet ATs, I am just saying I see it so often in videos and stuff. I was just curious because I agree with your thinking.

But how do you play most of your flops when you are 3betting small pairs? Cbet most flops and give up if called? I hate having only 2 outs...