Suppose I tell the world that you're a dumbass...

Suppose I tell the world that you're a dumbass because you don't know that KK beats T9 on a board of T9A2A. You might lash at me because of that.

Now suppose instead that you get all in with T9 against KK on a board of T9A, but the turn comes a 2 and the river comes an A. Would you lash out when the pot is given to your opponent instead of you?

If so, who are you lashing out at?

lash out i do not. reload and grind i do. for the best hand had I when the monies all-in went

Originally Posted by frosst

lash out i do not. reload and grind i do. for the best hand had I when the monies all-in went

vnh

Why would KK call an all in with an ace on the flop anyways?

Originally Posted by Pythonic

Why would KK call an all in with an ace on the flop anyways?

happens often at microstakes....people dont want to let go of such a powerful preflop hand, even if when that A comes on the flop.

Originally Posted by Pythonic

Why would KK call an all in with an ace on the flop anyways?

To answer your question, there are a long list of [good] reasons, the core of which has to do with what villain's range would be combined with the pot odds given. Also we never said that villain called an all-in.

To the greater issue: shit like this is what I'm talking about. Look deeper than "omfg why would he call there" and try to find the lesson in things instead of suffering from diarrhea of the brain.

For a good example of choosing to PMS instead of trying to learn something can be found here in the post http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...10.html#653810 though I doubt he knows any better.

Originally Posted by frosst

Originally Posted by Pythonic

Why would KK call an all in with an ace on the flop anyways?

happens often at microstakes....people dont want to let go of such a powerful preflop hand, even if when that A comes on the flop.

Happens even more often in limit. Villain wants to see the turn, just in case his 2 outer comes in. I'm guilty of it against particularly donkish lagtards, but I don't know how many times I've seen a weak Ax cold caller take down a KK or QQ.

Now, Queens with a King on the flop, or Jacks with a Queen on the flop, that is a different story and altogether much more complex. But so many people will call preflop with any ace - especially in LHE - that an ace flop is time to fold that KK 99% of the time. Unless of course you hit your set

If you haven't already then you should think long and hard about the question that I posed in the original post.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

If you haven't already then you should think long and hard about the question that I posed in the original post.

I learned a long time ago you're probably not level 0 posting, here. So here's my guess at your level 2 point in the op:

So what if we get flamed in the forums, so long as we learn something? It's better to learn for free (+ a bit of embarrassment) than to take our ignorance to the tables where it can cost us money.

Here's my take on the thread you mentioned. Spoon, you're always out of line. So your posts are always making us all LoL + we learn something. Unlike a couple of other FTR icons I could name who drop into the Beginner's Forum once a week for monosyllable posts, you actually hang out in the Beginner's Forum a good bit, offering good threads, posts and comments on HH's. You often read FTR a lot more widely than most of us do, so you post links to other content we probably missed. In short, you help the newbies.

Now, the downside of all this help - the price we pay - is the ungentle nature with which you treat irony, idiocy, and incompetence.But I for one would rather be abused in a thread than abused at the poker table. And more than one of your posts in my threads has both stung and been right on target. Here is an example:

Multitabling Questions

For those not familiar with that thread, I reacted defensively in the thread (scroll to bottom for Spoon's microrant and my response). But you know what, I went away from the computer thinking hard and decided I could work more on my game. I put in some hours and posted this thread to summarize the huge break through that occurred:

Cbets, HUD reads and Problem Solving

The main reason I'm doing well at NL25 now is due to the postflop analyis and work I did thanks to TJ's and Spoon's boot-in-the-ass-posts.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

If so, who are you lashing out at?

My mom for never paying attention?

I would just like to add that I enjoy it when my opponents berate me and do whatever I can to encourage that.

You guys need to get past the HH and look to the message. Stop being a dumbass for a minute. There is something to learn, and as long as your being a dumbass, you miss the lesson.

Stop berating messengers, start understanding the message.

I hate it when people whine after a suckout about how they "deserved" to win the pot. If you put your money in without the stone cold nuts, then you're gambling, and if you lose, you don't deserve a goddamn thing. It's just ridiculous how many players have a sense of entitlement (this is especially prevalent among tourney donks between the ages of 18-24, but it affects a lot of cash game players as well). Fact is we've all run well to make this much money playing a computer game; it'd be nice if people could show a little humility instead of whining like a little bitch every time they lose a pot.

It's just about objectivity and having fun. I pick with people and I expect them to do the same to me, but at the same time I try to give advice about the few things I do know a little bit about having to do with poker.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

You guys need to get past the HH and look to the message. Stop being a dumbass for a minute. There is something to learn, and as long as your being a dumbass, you miss the lesson.

Stop berating messengers, start understanding the message.

Ding ding ding.