Statistics - what do u think?

This is in 6 seater 25 cent / 50 cent and 50 cent /1 dollar tables at poker stars

i am new to stars and won some money. what do u think of these stats, am i playin wrong?

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 919 hands and saw flop:
- 112 out of 175 times while in big blind (64%)
- 68 out of 175 times while in small blind (38%)
- 143 out of 569 times in other positions (25%)
- a total of 323 out of 919 (35%)
Pots won at showdown - 46 of 72 (63%)
Pots won without showdown - 99

Originally Posted by Zidane18

This is in 6 seater 25 cent / 50 cent and 50 cent /1 dollar tables at poker stars

i am new to stars and won some money. what do u think of these stats, am i playin wrong?

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 919 hands and saw flop:
- 112 out of 175 times while in big blind (64%)
- 68 out of 175 times while in small blind (38%)
- 143 out of 569 times in other positions (25%)
- a total of 323 out of 919 (35%)
Pots won at showdown - 46 of 72 (63%)
Pots won without showdown - 99

Looks good, but way way way to few hands to tell anyting.... You need at least 10k hands..

Do you have poker tracker? If not I recomend getting it and useing it

Originally Posted by Laeelin

Originally Posted by Zidane18

This is in 6 seater 25 cent / 50 cent and 50 cent /1 dollar tables at poker stars

i am new to stars and won some money. what do u think of these stats, am i playin wrong?

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 919 hands and saw flop:
- 112 out of 175 times while in big blind (64%)
- 68 out of 175 times while in small blind (38%)
- 143 out of 569 times in other positions (25%)
- a total of 323 out of 919 (35%)
Pots won at showdown - 46 of 72 (63%)
Pots won without showdown - 99

Looks good, but way way way to few hands to tell anyting.... You need at least 10k hands..

Do you have poker tracker? If not I recomend getting it and useing it

no, what is it and what does it do?

Click the link

It's a great program for tracking stats and giving information and letting you replay any hand you have ever played...

For a very very basic example of what poker tracker can do, look at my post here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=19650

It's a very very useful program.

Seeing 35% of flops is pretty loose. What kinds of hands are you playing, and how do you play them?

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Seeing 35% of flops is pretty loose. What kinds of hands are you playing, and how do you play them?

in tournies i tend to play a tight aggresive game.

i used to win alot in tournies but lose in cash games so i changed my games to play alot of suited connectors from late position. even queen 9 suited i will see a flop with

Originally Posted by Zidane18

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Seeing 35% of flops is pretty loose. What kinds of hands are you playing, and how do you play them?

in tournies i tend to play a tight aggresive game.

i used to win alot in tournies but lose in cash games so i changed my games to play alot of suited connectors from late position. even queen 9 suited i will see a flop with

q9s is not a suited connector
it's suited crap only fit for limping on the button in limit with a lot of limpers in a loose game

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by Zidane18

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Seeing 35% of flops is pretty loose. What kinds of hands are you playing, and how do you play them?

in tournies i tend to play a tight aggresive game.

i used to win alot in tournies but lose in cash games so i changed my games to play alot of suited connectors from late position. even queen 9 suited i will see a flop with

q9s is not a suited connector
it's suited crap only fit for limping on the button in limit with a lot of limpers in a loose game

hmm but when i play my normal game people take alot of pots off me

To give you an idea, in full ring, i had a 15% VP$IP

What your missing is that 95% of the time when they have thoes hands someone else wins and you never see the hand.

one of the things that poker tracker will show you is your profit on each hand. In loose full ring, even AJ isnt a great hand (still playable, but not great)

In loose games you play tighter than normal, not looser than normal.

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30 second lesson to beating $50NL or less..

In $25NL full ring or less, Start by playing 4 tables, folding everything but AA, AK, AQ, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66, 55, 44, 33, 22 preflop.

Push all in with AA and KK preflop.

Raise 5xBB with AK and AQ, call with the rest (as long as the raise isnt more than 1/15th of the smallest stack between the two of ya'll -- if there are a lot of callers, you can call much more)

On the flop, if you have a set or better and there is a draw out, push, with no draw just make pot sized bets until you get a draw and then push.

If you hit top pair on the flop with your AK/AQ, push all in.

Hit an overpair or two pair on the flop, push all in.

Check/fold anything else.


Note: this isnt the best way to play, but it's one of the best ways to start your playing. This will give you the money to move up, and an understanding of the power of playing tight.

if you want to play poker as laeelin suggests thats fine
personally you want to play more expansive poker imo learning and using position and other such plays more often. Yes there isnt much difference from 50nl and 100nl but still get used to playing poker not rock like poker. If you play as suggested above everyone has you labelled quickly and you get no action nadda
and anyone who thinks differnently must play at a whole lotta sites different from me

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if you want to play poker as laeelin suggests thats fine
personally you want to play more expansive poker imo learning and using position and other such plays more often. Yes there isnt much difference from 50nl and 100nl but still get used to playing poker not rock like poker. If you play as suggested above everyone has you labelled quickly and you get no action nadda
and anyone who thinks differnently must play at a whole lotta sites different from me

Dont missunderstand me, I just said thats a good way to start, not how you should stay.

It's a great way to build bankroll for a new player, and after you have the bankroll build, you can move up to stop playing cards, and start playing real poker...

Thats exactly why I said that I said... Rember the original poster is playing hands like Q9s...

$50NL isnt where you want to start playing poker.
$100NL is about the earliest you should start playing poker IMO.

35% VP$IP in 6max is not too much.

Arrgh, I knew there was a reason I didnt mind the VP$IP when I first read the post... and then forgot it in the later posts...

Ignore everything I said after the poker tracker post because thats for full ring only

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What's VP$IP?

Originally Posted by Tommydx

What's VP$IP?

Voluntarily Put $ In Pot

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if you want to play poker as laeelin suggests thats fine
personally you want to play more expansive poker imo learning and using position and other such plays more often. Yes there isnt much difference from 50nl and 100nl but still get used to playing poker not rock like poker. If you play as suggested above everyone has you labelled quickly and you get no action nadda
and anyone who thinks differnently must play at a whole lotta sites different from me

i agree, that stratergy above is so readable

i play ALOT of poor hands from late position, and i have the disapline to get away from my top pair when i sense i am out kicked

at first i tried to play really tight tourny style in ring games but this got me nowhere

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Originally Posted by Zidane18

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if you want to play poker as laeelin suggests thats fine
personally you want to play more expansive poker imo learning and using position and other such plays more often. Yes there isnt much difference from 50nl and 100nl but still get used to playing poker not rock like poker. If you play as suggested above everyone has you labelled quickly and you get no action nadda
and anyone who thinks differnently must play at a whole lotta sites different from me

i agree, that stratergy above is so readable

i play ALOT of poor hands from late position, and i have the disapline to get away from my top pair when i sense i am out kicked

at first i tried to play really tight tourny style in ring games but this got me nowhere

I care a lot about statistics.
I track every hand I play.
I average 20BBs/100 or more at every level 200NL and below
(up to over 40 at 25NL 6 max)

I play no where near 35% of my hands in a full ring game.
It is not about the hands you play, but the spots you pick to play them.
I will fold Q9s in late position 90% of the time.
Sometimes I will reraise with it. You have to learn the difference, and this comes with experience.

Laeelin has the best posts so far. If you are not winning at ring, you are playing too many hands and going too far with them.First learn what hands are profitable, then add the hands that you can play in position.

It sounds like you have a lot more faith in your game than is warranted.
There is a reason that it is suggested to play few hands. It is because it is a winning strategy. PERIOD. Only a great player with a huge amount of experience can play more.

FIRST learn to win,
THEN learn what hands you can add to increase your profit.

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

DSaxton

you and I have played in the ring together on many occasions and I think that 35% is just about par for a successful ring game session...I can spot the campers who are seeing 20% of flops and rarely give them action on a raise....some of my best sessions in the ring (particularily 6 max) my flops seen is closer to 50%..sometimes even higher depending on who I am sitting with. The key is making it tough for your opponents to put you on a hand and anything less than 30% is a recipe for being labelled a camper and you wont see as much action when you do catch a 'real hand'...its all about position babyyyyy :P

You are gonna have a hard time beating a true TAG if you are simply "not giving them action"
The essense of proper no limit play is to know not only what real hands to play, but what to do without a hand.
So when you pick me out as a 20% camper, I am going to take a lot of pots from you. Don't think I am weak because I know when to fold preflop.

*I actually play between 15 and 30% of hands, depending on table texture.
If you go back through my sessions, the ones I won the most, I was playing more than 25% of my hands. This is not because this is a more profitable strategy, but because these were more profitable tables that allowed me to play more hands, or I was getting a good rush of cards.