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    Default Starting Hands.

    Hey would someone be able to make a reply to this telling me what range of starting hands they would play in the lower stakes ring games (25c/50c) (50c/$1). I know it all depends on position and depends if anyone who acts before you is raising or re-raising, but just a basic list of starting hands would be good.
    Also can somebody tell me the range of starting hands they would play in a MTT in early, mid and late stages of the tourney and cover all scenarios from having a very small stack, average stack, above average or one of the tourney chip leaders.
    Thanks people appreciate it.
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    I also forgot to add the game I am playing is NLHE, sorry don't mean to spam.
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    We could tell you, but that would rob us of the chance to refer you to the Poker Strategy section on the site as well as the Digest stickies in this and the MTT forums. Lots to read, including answers to your questions and much more that will be of benefit.
  4. #4
    Yea dude, theres info all over this site. Just gotta dig for it (and not even that deep, quite honestly). It's kind of lazy of you to not search around, especially when there is a tab that says "Poker Strategy" lol. But I'll cut you some slack considering you are new.

    Either click on that strategy tab and read some/most of the things in there, and/or go into the mtt section and click on the digest and follow the links in there. Theres also a lot of really good info in the beginners circle digest, so I suggest checking that out.
  5. #5
    What everyone else said, but also, people shouldn't have this magic obsession with starting hands as if that is the key to poker strategy. I agree with just about everyone that beginners need to tighten up their games a lot, play only premium hands (and, in multiway pots, hands with good drawing potential), and play them aggressively.

    But poker is fundamentally a game about reads, not simply waiting for a good hand and then playing it. The most important factors about whether and how you play most starting hands are what your position is, what other players have done before you and what that tells you about what they have and what types of players they are, and what the rest of the table is likely to do after your action. Whether, for example, something like KQ suited is a "good starting hand", and what you should do with it, depends entirely on these factors.

    So I am not much of a fan of these lists. I think most poker players know the basics-- pocket pairs, aces with a high kicker, broadways, and suited connectors. Tighten up in early position, loosen a little bit in late position. Beyond those generalities, however, it's best to rely on your reads and not a list.
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    That said, there are a fair number of spots were my hole cards almost don't matter. I'm exploiting a spot where I can profitably bluff or set-up a bluff that would work with two blank cards. Actually having a hand that might make something is icing on the cake.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    That said, there are a fair number of spots were my hole cards almost don't matter. I'm exploiting a spot where I can profitably bluff or set-up a bluff that would work with two blank cards. Actually having a hand that might make something is icing on the cake.
    But that's a subset of my point. If your position, your opponents, and their actions tell you that you can represent 62 offsuit as a big hand and take down a pot, that's more important than the fact that 62 offsuit is not a very good starting hand.

    The thing is, beginners often don't have very good reading skills and also have a temptation to want to play every hand or close to it. That's the utility of the lists. So I don't mind them, as long as the player realizes that the lists are less important than the reads.
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    You have to remember that Fnord plays at higher stakes where this is a lot more fold equity. For people grinding the micros (like myself) hand selection is at a premium. The people that I play with on average wouldn't know where to look for the fold button, so it is more profitable for me to play stronger starting hands. I'm not going to get respect no matter what.

    You have to take into account of what level your opponents are thinking on in order to choose your hands, or set up plays with trash.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by dranger7070
    You have to remember that Fnord plays at higher stakes where this is a lot more fold equity.
    Weak hands usually miss the flop and frequently catch a weak hand. Most loose/passives will fold when they have air (and peel the flop with weak hands.) Only the rare total calling station or maniac will continue more often than not. It's a mistake to treat everyone like that because there are very different approaches to exploiting them.

    I played 1c/2c 6 max on PS one evening just to see how it played. I ran lots of plays like that mixed with value betting the shit out of people.
  10. #10
    I feel like position is almost more important than starting hands (sometimes) but maybe not at the lower stakes. Its true that those people just throw their money in, so its good to have something I feel comfortable taking a stand with (and working the value bet).
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    Guest
    don't be fooled, position is still super important at the lower stakes
    when you do hit the flop super hard you'll get more bets
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by iopq
    don't be fooled, position is still super important at the lower stakes
    when you do hit the flop super hard you'll get more bets
    This.

    Learn to value bet middle pair.
  13. #13
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by iopq
    don't be fooled, position is still super important at the lower stakes
    when you do hit the flop super hard you'll get more bets
    This.

    Learn to value bet middle pair.
    I once value bet J high because I knew the guy would peel gutshot on the turn + fold bottom pair to a second barrel so I'm like always ahead

    Sure enough he calls pot on the turn with a gutshot (46) and checks the river allowing me to check behind

    lol headsupaments
  14. #14
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  15. #15
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  16. #16
    nh, harley
  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Robb
    nh, harley
    Yes, VNH. I lol'd.
  18. #18
    I do hope you copied and pasted that Harley
  19. #19
    that question is so varied

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