Spot with JJ in 3 bet pot

No reads no HUD on at this time I had 3 Bet him once before and he folded. within the last 4 hands.

I Really felt he had QQ+ here or maybe calling with A10 cuzz i just 3 bet him earlyer. I had that GUT instinct and I decided to fold but I was wondering how I should have played this...Previously I would have snap called down to put it all in. But recently my saying is if i dont know FOLD! cuzz everytime i didnt know before i called to learn and most the time i had that GUT feeling its right


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($43.75)
Button ($25)
Hero (SB) ($34.80)
BB ($14.80)
UTG ($15.25)
MP ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
3 folds, Button bets $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Button calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.25) 5, 10, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, Button raises to $9, Hero ?

Total pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0.65

what are your reasons for 3-betting preflop

lol PF is fine let's not analyze it

I think 3betting is better than flatting preflop. Playing JJ well is tough at the best of times, especially OOP, and by 3betting you're going to get a fold often (esp against an open-raise from the button, which will often be a steal attempt).

(EDIT: sorry, didn't see Spenda's post until after I posted mine ...)

Post-flop is tough without stats or reads, but I struggle to put him on much that you beat. I don't think he plays 5x or 66-99 this way very often (I think at 25NL they call flop almost every time). So unless he's a maniac or loves a bluff, which of course you don't know, it looks a lot like 55, QQ+ or a T to me. Its also a small raise, which could mean that he wants a call. So I probably fold, although I'm not very happy about it.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

lol PF is fine let's not analyze it

Doesn't correct PF analysis lead us to the promised land of Post flop bliss?

sure seems like an easy shove to me.

I don't see a ten in his 3bet flat range
prehaps a 9T,JT type of hand
also he may think your full of S#it and is
doing this with pkt pair, AK,AQ,AJ,KQ, or a flush draw.
so I call/shove :P

yeh
i get it in on flop and expect to see worse alot more than Tx

how about a range trip:
put him on a steal range
now narrow that to a call your 3-bet range
now narrow that to a raise your c-bet range.

makes the hand easier to talk about. Assume Tag-wannabe i guess

Tx sometimes will just call and shove turn
so to me his most likely range is air
I call and hope he shoves turn

Originally Posted by clvacva

I don't see a ten in his 3bet flat range
prehaps a 9T,JT type of hand

My experience is that if we 3bet your average 25NL donk off a raise, his call 3bet range less than 4 hands later will be significantly wider than it was the first time, especially when he's in position. So without any further reads I think here we can include at least AT and probably KT, JTs and T9s as well.

So I think he gets to the flop with a pretty wide range, but I have more trouble finding any hands we beat other than air in his flop raise range, so we would have to believe he's bluffing there a fair amount of the time to continue.

EDIT: I missed the FD, which must be a reasonable chunk of his flop raising range too - and its probably likely enough to make me strongly consider calling and then shoving a non-heart turn.

The wonderful thing about TAGG wannabe's at 10nl and 25nl is that they open-raise 22-88 and then can't let go of them when 3bet. I put 66-99 in his 3 bet flatting range, possibly discounted. Once you get a read, you'll find a lot of these villains have 22 - 66 in their 3bet flatting range. And he has to feel like TT5 missed your hand (and he's right, sort of).

I think there's value here, especially since you gotta think he 4bets you preflop the majority of the time w/ QQ+.

I like your pf line. I don't think I can call here - especially without reads or stats to support a call.

I think I shove flop. QQ+ might 4bet since you've 3bet him a few hands ago, and the weak cbet on a TT5 board may have induced this bluff.

Originally Posted by Robb

And he has to feel like TT5 missed your hand (and he's right, sort of).

Not really, we nailed the flop.