Mass Multitabling - How is it done?

Hello all.....

Simple question, I think. How do you mass multitablers do it? Are there tools available to help manage tables when you are playing 12-24 of them at a time?

There are some tools like autohotkey, etc. Personally I can play 12-16 without any extra software, but I usually only play 6-8. It significantly lowers your edge per table, so until you've developed a proven winning game that you can play on autopilot, it is pointless to play more than a few tables.

I ten table but have read about those that play more and they use a simmiliar technique but just play faster I think, stacking. If your screen allows you can have two seperate stacks (or if you're 24 tabling I'd guess you could have 4 stacks of 6). This gives you a kind of compromise between being able to keep track of some action while not having to look across 24 tables to find out where you're next due. I found this much easier than tiling the tables. I find it too distracting to have a mass of tables in front of me, but with one table at a time (because I only 10 table so can get away with one stack) there's no distractions at all.

If you're playing on a site that isn't reliable with table focus (i.e. ipoker) then you can stack and cascade a little at the same time, so you have the tables in front of each other, but not in exactly the same place, if you offset the tables slightly you can make sure you've always got a small piece of each table visible on the screen then you can click on each when you're not acting to make sure you're not waiting for a descision on one, and just to get an idea where each is at... obv this'll only work for 10 or less, 12-24 I'd imagine you'd be too busy acting to check for tables that may have not popped up.

If you're playing a large number of tables on stars then betpot will be useful, it allows you to automate your standard bet sizing with the mouse to save keep clicking and entering numbers on every screen.

If you are stacking there's a simple script that lets you pull a window out of the stack if you want to follow its action and then push it back into the stack when your finished, it's an AHK script That'd be useful I think. Unless of course you've done your jedi training... and can happily ignore any results after your action so don't care what the outcome is... I'm not there yet, but hopefully one day will be

I’ve been using table ninja for about a weak and don’t know how I ever got along without it.

Hey Slev that AHK script sounds really useful. I’m always screwing up the order of my tables trying to keep an eye on my all ins. I’ve never use a AHK script before do you know if it’s compatible with table ninja. Linky?

Hmm never heard of table ninja, the ahk script should work as it works through windows and just moves the tables about, it's a really simple script the code's already built into ahk, here's the code, you'd just change 100,500 to the co-ordinates you want to move the table to (I just experimented until I found the right numbers) - End is the key you use, you can change this to almost any key you want (see here for more info on that: http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/Hotkeys.htm#Intro)

SetTitleMatchMode, 2

End::
WinGetActiveTitle, Title1
WinMove, %Title1%,, 100,500
Send, {F5}
return

In one of spoon's posts he suggests taking however many tables you normally play and adding one table to this amount, getting used to it for a few weeks until its as easy as the old amount, and then repeating this process.

Makes sense to me. Practice is key when it comes to multi tabling I think.

If you are looking to multi table I would recommend obv once you know you are a winnnig player to drop down in stakes where is dosn't matter to lose a buy in or two. I moved to nl2 until I could do 9 table and was comfortable. Before that I could only do 4. Once I did 9, 12 wasn't really that much harder. I do not use any other software other than Holdem Manager for my hud. I minimize all my screens to the smallest available and lay them out tile pattern. There is actually a tile or cascade option on stars that will auto align your tables for you. I originally had 1 22" flatscreen and could do 15 tables on one screen with a minimum amount of overlap. I always sit at the same seat so I am not looking around the table and or getting confused. I picked up a second 22" monitor and can do 24. But as said above the more tables the less quality desicions based off time and information that is available.

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

This.

Maybe 3 - 4 tables of 6m and 5 - 6 tables of FR at the micros. If you're crushing, you'll be moving up in no time. I made the mistake of trying to 16-table too early on (at 10nl). I didn't learn anything, and I was playing so mindlessly I was won less than I did when I played 4 or 5 tables.

Since this post, I've determined that I can only effectively multitable 6 tables at a time. Once I get above that, even with something like table ninja, things go south quickly.

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

This.

Maybe 3 - 4 tables of 6m and 5 - 6 tables of FR at the micros. If you're crushing, you'll be moving up in no time. I made the mistake of trying to 16-table too early on (at 10nl). I didn't learn anything, and I was playing so mindlessly I was won less than I did when I played 4 or 5 tables.

interesting. i seemed to play just as well with 12 tables compared to 6

Please define "killing."

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

Originally Posted by CBAT

Please define "killing."

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

5+ ptBB/100 win rate (or higher) over 25k hands (or more)

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by CBAT

Please define "killing."

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

5+ ptBB/100 win rate (or higher) over 25k hands (or more)

Glad to know I'm killing it 8-)

Originally Posted by CBAT

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by CBAT

Please define "killing."

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

5+ ptBB/100 win rate (or higher) over 25k hands (or more)

Glad to know I'm killing it 8-)

what stakes do you play? at 2 and 5NL killing it would be 7-10 ptbb because value betting is insane

Originally Posted by AFchung

Originally Posted by CBAT

Originally Posted by Robb

Originally Posted by CBAT

Please define "killing."

Originally Posted by dev

Multi-tabling micros is a bad idea. If you can solidly beat 2nl, then your bankroll will quickly get to the point where you're playing 5nl, then repeat itself to at least 50nl. If you're not killing the stake, then you probably shouldn't be trying to multi-table it.

5+ ptBB/100 win rate (or higher) over 25k hands (or more)

Glad to know I'm killing it 8-)

what stakes do you play? at 2 and 5NL killing it would be 7-10 ptbb because value betting is insane

$25NL I'm running 7.5BB/100 over 23K hands.

I guess I'm not killing it then. PtBB = Big Bets correct? So that would be 10BB/100+ would be killing it.

You're doing extremely well, why add a bunch of tables when that win rate will have you at 50nl in 3 - 6 weeks of playing, depending on how many hours you can get in?

Originally Posted by Robb

You're doing extremely well, why add a bunch of tables when that win rate will have you at 50nl in 3 - 6 weeks of playing, depending on how many hours you can get in?

Yeah, I'm going to stick with 12 tables. I can manage them pretty well. I don't think I could do anymore w/o it being -EV

I never play more than 10 FR tables, and I often back off to 9 or 8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYnm6clTfZI

quick video of my 24 tabling setup

Avoid the fast table, ldo, and use a hotkey script coupled with a joystick. It's FAR quicker than mouse/keyboard and it will avoid carpeltunnel. Also, it helps to orient your play towards simple decisions(which... yes makes you exploitable by great players - they'll put you in tough spots.. which you should be doing against other mega-tablers). It's important when you're learning not to play beyond your comfort level though, but don't get complacent. Add a table a week. I can play 20 now still evaluating each opponents hand as a properly defined range and my equity/fold equity against it.